who do you think is the GOAT of chess(greatest of all time)

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ChessieSystem101
NotGeneralGrant wrote:

Savage47, Fischer was world champion for only four years. I don't think that's enough time to say he's the goat. If he had continued that level of dominance for 10+ years, I'd agree. However, he quit early, so we'll never know if he was the goat or an anomaly. That's why I would give the edge to Kasparov. He proved that he could dominate for 20 years. Fischer proved that he was an amazingly good player prone to rage quits.

he was only world champion for one year.

kingplaya4
Donegally wrote:

6-0, 6-0 is no speculation.

Just a fact.

One which no one else has ever come close to.

I mean it is speculative because we can't prove he could have beaten Carlsen had he been born at the same time or even giving him a few years head start. Babe Ruth being the greatest of all time as a baseball player is speculative, he dominated weaker competition. Most people believe if he were born today he would still be the best assuming he incorporated modern training techniques, but we can't know for sure. That's all I meant. And Goat also depends on whether you prefer consistency or peak. If it is consistency Kasparov is clearly the answer, but I assume most will find that a dull answer. Morphy destroyed everyone, unfortunately for him he didn't have a worthy opponent. He may have been more talented than Fischer but obviously would have needed to learn some modern theory. All speculative, but fun to consider.

kingplaya4
Donegally wrote:

Have you seen this game ?

Morphy plays like a crude club player, Andersson completely positionally out plays him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ZOwHdNLO0

No I had not seen that before, he got outplayed there, mainly the mistake was moving the pawn up with the king in the corner, otherwise he played Andersson well, do you agree? I'd be curious what others think of the game. Still he beat Andersson 7-2 with 2 draws. I'm a little surprised to be honest, all the other games I'd seen featured he literally destroyed opponents even when giving up his rook or knight, so I guess it moves him down slightly. Still 7-2 is quite impressive as Andersson was obviously a very solid player in his day.

kingplaya4

This is interesting:

After Morphy lost the first game offering the Evan's Gambit, he remarked to Edge that the game "proved to him that the Evans is indubitably a lost game for the first player, if the defense be carefully played; inasmuch as the former can never recover the gambit pawn, and the position supposed to be acquired at the outset, cannot be maintained."

(yet, of about 80+  Evan's Gambits he played, Morphy only lost 2 playing even and a just a few at Rook and Knight odds)

Anderssen considered Morphy far superior saying one could only expect to win game here and there. 

http://www.edochess.ca/batgirl/morphybio10.html

kingplaya4

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crd2
kingplaya4 wrote:
crd2 wrote:

Ben "The Truth Hurts" Finegold

Ben is crazy good. Did you see the games he played with that woman who is ranked around 2200? She won like one game out of 20.

 

I did see that. I also watched him infuriate the Ginger GM although his play was pretty off as well but was exciting chess.

 

Ziryab

Karpov


(Fischer was afraid of him)

kindaspongey
Savage47 wrote:

... Morphy figured out in the 1860s what it took Lasker another 60 years to figure out. ...

"... The Lasker Defence to the Evans Gambit (1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 b4 Bxb4 5 c3 Ba5 6 d4 d6 7 0-0 Bb6) was an important development in its day, …" - GM John Nunn (2014)

Is there a reason to believe that Morphy had "figured out" Lasker's idea?

JBabkes

I believe that the Greatest chess player is only relevant to a period of time. For a certain number of years a few people dominate the world of chess.

dannyhume
Fischer is kind of like the 1988-89 “Bad Boys” Detroit Pistons (although even they defended their title) ... A brief run of high level dominance, could have won a couple more, but various factors and being flanked by other arguably goat teams prevented this.
cheeseplayer1810

thanks

 

knightscape007

Knightscape

Magnissime

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