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This is a great question! I have a friend who is VERY smart and yet he just can't seem to master chess. He even spend one summer on the soul purpose of mastering the game. He studied everyday, played in as many tournaments as he could, and played online everyday.
His rating only got to just under 1200! I'm mean this is a very smart guy with a masters degree! So to me this says that some people are just not wired correctly to play the game and see the moves!
I would play with him and he just didn't see the things I would see and he would miss the big moves and combos!
Forum doesn't make any sense!
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fan ! The " General Discussion Forum " makes no Sense ! But does this thread make sense ??? I'm SO confused now ! ( lol ).
This post is retarded.
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Well now I need to try out my ESP talent ?
Hi, my IQ is 137. When I started playing the game of chess in school, I really sucked. I was six or seven years old and in 3th grade. Reviewing my only game I have noted I can see that I really sucked at chess. Losing too often (I really hated to lose) I quitted chess. Later, I spottet that same chess teacher in a train. He remembered me and said I had great potential. But fearful of losing too often, he was not able to convince me to play chess "seriously".
By chance, a good friend of mine (who is also very smart) was playing in a small chess club, and he had brought a small magnet travel chess set to our class trip two years ago. I watched him playing chess with another friend and challenged him to a game. Of course, I lost: I only remembered how to move the pieces, and basic tactics like a fork. But I was unable to use them. I even forgot on which square the King/Queen stand. His estimated rating is 1000 though he can play much better if he has a good day.
After that, he teached me some basic "things", we played another game and I joined the chess club he was in. I studied a bit for two months and my rating went up to ~900 (estimated). Then I played in the club tournament, getting 4th place. The best player has a 1700 rating, he won 7/7. That friend of mine finished second with 5,5/7 and I got 4/7 forfeiting 2 times (I would have lost one of the games) and losing one time.
Unfortunately, I was not motivated enough to continue studying seriously. I watched a lot of videos and learned passively for over a year and then, without any preperation, I entered that same tournament again. I was rated around 1050 then and with scoring 6/7 (losing one game, I won a piece for two pawns but made a wrong move and had to defend), I won that tournament. That was a great motivation for me, also beating the friend who let me play chess again! Unfortunately, I don't think that I will be able to win that tournament again, because the youngster that beat me has a personal coach and is improving very quickly. He obviously has much more time than I have due to school. I think that - at the age of ten - his 1450 rating is pretty good.
Due to the lack of time, I had to stop playing chess for six months. When I started playing again and went to the club, I beat a 1600 player in a tense battle. I blundered away my win in the endgame, but he was unable to see that inaccuracy.
So here I stand now, my playing strength is around 1350 now, without studying that much. I am 15 years old and my goal is to get the NM title in the next ten years (lol). I also now start to relly study more, devoting 2 hrs+ on chess every day, solving tactical puzzles and reading "The Improving Chess Thinker" and "The Amateur's Mind".
Conclusion: I believe that having a high IQ is definitely advantageous if you play chess. Nevertheless, a good education and a lot of work is needed in order to progress.
This is a great question! I have a friend who is VERY smart and yet he just can't seem to master chess. He even spend one summer on the soul purpose of mastering the game. He studied everyday, played in as many tournaments as he could, and played online everyday.
His rating only got to just under 1200! I'm mean this is a very smart guy with a masters degree! So to me this says that some people are just not wired correctly to play the game and see the moves!
I would play with him and he just didn't see the things I would see and he would miss the big moves and combos!
--- Thanks very much for the post Kingspud.
This is just the sort of thing that this thread was setup to discuss despite what a recent visitor here has said. IQ vs talent vs ability vs intelligence, etc and how to discover these things. Srinivasa Ramanujan ( 1888 - 1920 ) of India had very very little formal edication and yet was able to prove and also create numerous mathematical theorems ( some of which are still being anaylized today ). Question: so where did this talent come from ?
I am in the lower end of the average IQ range, and I'm no good at chess. I find it challenging enough to play with beginners. Still love the game in all its complexity. :)
Chess is a highly specialized game so it shouldn't be surprising that smart people sometimes play poorly and slow people sometimes play well. With that in mind, it's obvious that smart people are more likely to play better chess.
I would propose that some people may be smart but that they aren't clever. There is a difference.
Good point Chess_gg.
Someone might be quite smart in one area but still not clever in other fields and perhaps also lacking in common sense in general ( eg: someone with a Phd but who is unable to change a flat tire on their car ).
There is no such things as intelligence.
--- Thanks for the post ProfessorProfesesen.
According to my pals over at F & W: " Intelligence - 1) the faculty of preceiving and comprehending meaning; 2) the ability to adapt to new situations " etc. Their Dictionary seem to indicate that there is something to intelligence.
Hi, my IQ is 137. When I started playing the game of chess in school, I really sucked. I was six or seven years old and in 3th grade. Reviewing my only game I have noted I can see that I really sucked at chess. Losing too often (I really hated to lose) I quitted chess. Later, I spottet that same chess teacher in a train. He remembered me and said I had great potential. But fearful of losing too often, he was not able to convince me to play chess "seriously".
By chance, a good friend of mine (who is also very smart) was playing in a small chess club, and he had brought a small magnet travel chess set to our class trip two years ago. I watched him playing chess with another friend and challenged him to a game. Of course, I lost: I only remembered how to move the pieces, and basic tactics like a fork. But I was unable to use them. I even forgot on which square the King/Queen stand. His estimated rating is 1000 though he can play much better if he has a good day.
After that, he teached me some basic "things", we played another game and I joined the chess club he was in. I studied a bit for two months and my rating went up to ~900 (estimated). Then I played in the club tournament, getting 4th place. The best player has a 1700 rating, he won 7/7. That friend of mine finished second with 5,5/7 and I got 4/7 forfeiting 2 times (I would have lost one of the games) and losing one time.
Unfortunately, I was not motivated enough to continue studying seriously. I watched a lot of videos and learned passively for over a year and then, without any preperation, I entered that same tournament again. I was rated around 1050 then and with scoring 6/7 (losing one game, I won a piece for two pawns but made a wrong move and had to defend), I won that tournament. That was a great motivation for me, also beating the friend who let me play chess again! Unfortunately, I don't think that I will be able to win that tournament again, because the youngster that beat me has a personal coach and is improving very quickly. He obviously has much more time than I have due to school. I think that - at the age of ten - his 1450 rating is pretty good.
Due to the lack of time, I had to stop playing chess for six months. When I started playing again and went to the club, I beat a 1600 player in a tense battle. I blundered away my win in the endgame, but he was unable to see that inaccuracy.
So here I stand now, my playing strength is around 1350 now, without studying that much. I am 15 years old and my goal is to get the NM title in the next ten years (lol). I also now start to relly study more, devoting 2 hrs+ on chess every day, solving tactical puzzles and reading "The Improving Chess Thinker" and "The Amateur's Mind".
Conclusion: I believe that having a high IQ is definitely advantageous if you play chess. Nevertheless, a good education and a lot of work is needed in order to progress.
--- Thanks very much for the post Jianniktr. Best Wishes on achieving you goals in the area of Chess. Btw we do have something in common ( my username here is a clue lol ).
Chess is a highly specialized game so it shouldn't be surprising that smart people sometimes play poorly and slow people sometimes play well. With that in mind, it's obvious that smart people are more likely to play better chess.
--- Thanks for the new posts
It really isn't necessary to respond to every comment.
I don't suck, but I don't have a very high rating. My IQ is 131 (which is quite high considering I'm 11). It's funny, because chess is supposed to be a game to test minds, while those with higher IQs aren't always best at chess.
I don't suck, but I don't have a very high rating. My IQ is 131 (which is quite high considering I'm 11). It's funny, because chess is supposed to be a game to test minds, while those with higher IQs aren't always best at chess.
IQ takes age into account. I had a score of 175-187, measured twice when I was between 8-13 years old. And I don't think it has anything to do with being good or bad at chess. Maybe smarter people play better, in general. But that's it. There will still be millions of increadibly smart people playing horribly, no matter how much they try.
It's not like having a high IQ gives you a free pass to excel in every game out there.
IQ tests taken as a child is highly dubious at best.
Reported IQ scores for kids are calculated using chronological age in norming. And for children, the younger the child, the lower the statistical degree of confidence that a given score will accurately predict subsequent testing scores, but there is at least some degree of predictive reliability even with preschoolers.
People's raw scores on standard IQ tests tend to max out around age 16. After that, age isn't even necessarily considered, and raw scores stay pretty stable until late middle age. Older people show declining scores on timed tests. (which is why I composed this so beautifully -- I wasn't being timed!
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This post is retarded.
--- Thanks for the post Secretkept2, but you will have to be a bit more specific for the slow among us. Which post is retarted ? Or is it this thread that is retarted ? Perhaps this Forum is retarted ? Or then again this entire Planet is retarted ??? ( just try watching the news sometime lol ).