WHO IS THE GREATEST CHESS PLAYER OF ALL TIME? Defend your answer...

Perhaps because you constantly make whatever claim comes to mind, regardless of fact.

Maybe if you googled something once in a while you could make a semi-informed statement about something.

Did the documentaries also mention how he used computers to reach GM strength?

"Greatest" meaning "best at chess" or "greatest" meaning greatest in fame/infamy/influence, who was a chess player?

Former? Carlsen. Latter? Fischer.

(You all know this is just my opinion, right?)

no but he definetly flew with an airplane to get his friends and relatives with the permision of the president or what the highest name was called. 

Also i said computers and top seconds.. and its definetly true that at some point at his career he used computers so i wasnt incorrect. I never said that in the 80s or 90s he used computers.

This is what you said. You actually say that Kasparov needed computers to solve what Fischer could do in his mind. That is absolutely WRONG. This is the statement I told you was wrong, and it is still wrong. So you can try to phrase anything anyway you like, you are not correct about Kasparov and computers.

Secondly,

http://bit.ly/XsQiEB

I'm still not actually sure what 'top seconds' means to be fair, so you could be right about that.

Kasparov has never really gotten along with Russian authorities, even in his prime he was always second fiddle to Karpov in the eyes of the Kremlin.  

but its also a nice show, i mean if he really had problems with authority would it really be so nice or would it end like khordokovsky. Reminds me on the antiregime guy in iran, who also has no problem that he made billions with the regime and now critizises it... I mean how much can you hate a regime that gives you billions??? Not to mention that all the billions came from the people he wants to help. Seriously if its politics you cant trust anyone.

Anyway maybe Kasparov is honest protest and what do i know, he has a great mind to admire anyway. But still no match to Fischer.

Kasparov would've destroyed Fischer.  And Fischer knew it.  Kaspy took Fischer's aggressive tactical style to a new level, and Fischer was jealous. Just look at the many cheap shots that Fischer took at him, only to never back it up at the chess board.  Even Karpov would've handled him solidly had they met in the WC match that never was.  

All these Kasparov fans and defenders should read Kasparov's: My Best games where he clearly states that most of these amazing wins against Kramnick, Anad, Gelfand, Karpov, etc were all prepared lines with computer assistance; perhaps there were No engines with ultra human strength, but no doubt there powerfull engines at his disposal on the other hand the computers during Fischer era could barely make it to about 1800 rating!

mauriciolopezsr wrote:

All these Kasparov fans and defenders should read Kasparov's: My Best games where he clearly states that most of these amazing wins against Kramnick, Anad, Gelfand, Karpov, etc were all prepared lines with computer assistance; perhaps there were No engines with ultra human strength, but no doubt there powerfull engines at his disposal on the other hand the computers during Fischer era could barely make it to about 1800 rating!

I know Fischer didn't have good computers and everything, and I do in fact think he is the strongest player of all time. However, he ran away for twenty years. That's the reason I don't think of him as the greatest player of all time. Kasparov stayed on top for twenty years. Computer-assisted or not, he did :).

You must have forgotten the entire first half of his career(more than half actually).  That dreaded amnesia, I tell ya.  

Well and Kasparov was a story teller like he said he had a photographic memory and that if he ones heard a phone number he never forget it. I mean do you really need to believe a guy like that? i mean he is super strong player, but i mean how could he lose with a photographic memory?He really said it, i have prove its in the documentary, i dont know the name but its on youtube. the documentary were a woman comes to visit to ask for a layout, where they also show his holiday home in yugoslavia and were he makes sport in front of the camera. 

Well Fischer said from early on im the strongest player on earth the soviets have my title and he has proven it. 

Fischer didnt run away he was cheated of his title, ofc he wouldnt play and accept the fact that it was right to steal his title. 

I really enjoy people who refuse to let reality interfer with their version of events. 

He does have that type of memory.  Why do you think everything Kasparov says or does is a lie and everything Fischer does IS TEH GREATESTZ EVERZZ!!!!!  How does having a gifted memory make you invincible at chess?  If that was the case there are many people who would never lose at chess.  And there are many top players who have freakish memories, in fact most of them do.  

its reality they stole his title, he said he wanted 10 wins no draws and they just took his title.  Thats a fact look at the video, were a guy calls karpov the devil and he wouldnt even take the nobel prize that way

Fischer resigned the title himself.  You are uninformed about a lot of things related to Kasparov and Fischer.

 In response to FIDE's ruling, Fischer sent a cable to Euwe on June 27, 1974:

As I made clear in my telegram to the FIDE delegates, the match conditions I proposed were non-negotiable. Mr. Cramer informs me that the rules of the winner being the first player to win ten games, draws not counting, unlimited number of games and if nine wins to nine match is drawn with champion regaining title and prize fund split equally were rejected by the FIDE delegates. By so doing FIDE has decided against my participating in the 1975 world chess championship. I therefore resign my FIDE world chess champion title. Sincerely, Bobby Fischer.

Many chess players have been thought to have had photographic memories.

They did an experiment into this to test the theory. A lot of them could memorise thousands of positions. A seriously impressive number of games and board layouts.

However, when they started placing the pieces on the board in a way that couldn't happen in a real game (un-natural chess positions) they scored far less. The argument is that, if you really had a photographic memory, it shouldn't matter where the pieces are placed. You should score evenly on all tests.

Basically the theory is that they don't have photographic memories, they are just extremely well drilled in remembering positions from games. Don't get me wrong, to me that is impressive enough. It's just not photographic.

I have no idea if Kasparov was one of these people or no, so I can't argue one way or the other as far as he is concerned.

There is quite an interesting video with Susan Polgar attempting the same experiment. I think it is called 'My Amazing Brain' (or something to that effect) It will be available on youtube.

She really struggles with the unnatural positions, while doing very well on the 'normal' ones.

Upon scanning her brain, it turns out she uses the same part of the brain responsible for face recognition as for chess patterns. She has trained her brain to consider both things in the same way. So basically, in the same way you recognise a friend or neighbour, she recognised chess positions. Very interesting and would totally recommend watching it if you are interested in this sort of thing.

If that is honestly true and not faked then i really got the facts wront.

From Sports Illustrated, 1974: 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1088774/index.htm

In any event, for better or worse, Bobby has struck again—much to the chagrin of the managers of international chess, the Federation Internationale des Echecs (FIDE). Seemingly out of the blue, and with nary a tear of regret,Fischer resigned what most people would have supposed to be his most precious possession, the title of world chess champion, thereby proving once again that titles, power and pelf conferred by organizations mean little to him. 

Morphy, Fischer, Kasparov.

I can't really rank them to see who's better than the other, but, in my opinion, they were three undisputed powerhouses of chess.

Fischer said that if Morphy were still alive and playing: "In a set match, Morphy would beat any player alive today."