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VerifiedChessYarshe
long_quach wrote:
No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:

Dude, they are obviously talking about the most ACCOMPLISHED player and not the MOST INSPIRATIONAL! 💀💀💀💀

Please get your facts straight, bro.

Get your facts straight.

The Soviet Union has a string of chess champions, one after another. The world doesn't care. In today's language, they didn't move the needle.

Only after Fischer did interest in chess skyrocketed.

Most inspirational? Magnus Carlsen can crush Botez in a matter of moves who was already the most accomplished and very inspiring. If u think comparing accomplished players who is both inspiring and the best should get less more attention that your overrated Botez? Get urself a new kit and break a leg on something useful instead of ur blatant points.

VerifiedChessYarshe
long_quach wrote:
Andrewtopia wrote:

Also, the early chess scene is not really the streets. From my understanding, it came from European cafes.

Dial back the clock.

Chess were played by traders on camels along the Silk Road, probably with a roll up cloth board, simple wooden pieces, on a dirt ground.

This is the real scene.

Chess are originally made from beaks.

OlafMatus
I think what I learned from all these posts was; there is no undisputed GOAT of chess.
magipi
OlafMatus wrote:
I think what I learned from all these posts was; there is no undisputed GOAT of chess.

Well, it was obvious from the start.

magipi
No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:

@magipi I’m surprised you didn’t have anything to say about Long_Quach claiming that one of the Botez Sisters is the GOAT…

I never read long-quach, I gave up on that guy years ago. Did he really say that? Probably not.

magipi

"Botez bringing chess back to the street" is actually an even dumber thing to say than "Botez is the GOAT". Amazing.

long_quach
No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:
long_quach wrote:
No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Like I said, she's bringing chess back to the street, where it began.

Gothamchess has gotten more people into chess than botez lol

There you go. That's the criteria.

Then why did you say botez is the “goat” (assuming goat in your definition) when levy has been more inspirational?

Because I don't know Gothamchess as muh as I do Botez. Duh.

I don't know how many subscribers each have.

You confirmed my point.

The one that gets more people into chess is the GOAT.

ARMY2013forever

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Luke-Jaywalker

i prefer the days when if you talked during the game you’d get punched in the face. the Botox sisters would have had a rough time then thumbdown

long_quach

@No1_wantsme2havefun

Who's the GOAT in MMA?

Who's the GOAT in wrestling?

Dana White and Vine McMahon. They make more money than all the champions combined.

Because they bring people to the stadium more than any performers.

long_quach
Benito-Pussolini wrote:

i prefer the days when if you talked during the game you’d get punched in the face. the Botox sisters would have had a rough time then

Chess and sports are essentially silent films.

Watch a boxing match at a ring side seat.

Watch it on TV with color commentary.

Watch a Rocky drama movie.

Botez is re-inventing WWE. Sports entertainment. Compare that to Olympic wrestling, which is a silent film.

thewhippersnappers
I don’t decide
long_quach
Benito-Pussolini wrote:

i prefer the days when if you talked during the game you’d get punched in the face. the Botox sisters would have had a rough time then

Botez actually competed in chess-boxing matches.

How many chess players can say that?

Ziryab
pcalugaru wrote:

What the general populist doesn't understand.... is that through the decades, the top 10% all have had some form of photographic memory. (that is the one true talent you have to have to even think about making the top 10%)

You also have to take into account the modern ELO system is hyper inflated... that means to all you gen x'ers and generation alpha's: Carlsen rating doesn't mean much. (hate to break it to you, but the next WC if he is truly the best of the crop, will break Carlsen's rating peak (due to the hyperinflation )

You take Capablanca, Morphy, Lasker Alekhine ... any of those pre WWI & WWII gifted players.. and given their photographic memory …

Nope.

That was the working hypothesis of Alfred Binet when he conducted research on the subject in the 1890s. He discovered that pattern recognition is vastly different than photographic memory. Others—de Groot, Chase and Simon, Ericksson—have built on his work.

long_quach

@Ziryab

Adding to what you said.

My interest is in cognitive psychology. The field still does not exist.

Chess players can remember positions from real games.

They cannot remember randomly placed pieces. (Like a computer can).

Their memory is based on the logic of the game.

There is no such thing as photographic memory. Memories are abstractions which is much much more efficient than actual photographic memory.

The number of bytes to represent a photograph can represent all the text in the Bible, 2 Megabyte range.

Ziryab

@long_quach

I’m often reminded of snippets from Anth 510 Advances in Anthropology, which I took in the early 1990s, where two of the four professors discussed cognition, language, and culture. I wish I had taken better notes.

Luke-Jaywalker
long_quach wrote:
Benito-Pussolini wrote:

i prefer the days when if you talked during the game you’d get punched in the face. the Botox sisters would have had a rough time then

Botez actually competed in chess-boxing matches.

How many chess players can say that?

that’s impressive, she might have done well in the good old days then.

I stand corrected thumbup

long_quach
Benito-Pussolini wrote:

Botez actually competed in chess-boxing matches.

How many chess players can say that?

that’s impressive, she might have done well in the good old days then.

I stand corrected

She will lay the smack down on your candy [bleep].

IWolfWalkerI

Gotham

blueemu
long_quach wrote:

There is no such thing as photographic memory. Memories are abstractions...

Are you a Magritte fan?

Rene Magritte painted this:

Notice that the "painting within a painting" obscures and replaces the real-world objects that it represents. The real tree is hidden behind the artist's representation of a tree. The real cloud is hidden behind the artist's representation of a cloud. And so on.

Magritte's point is that people do not interact with the real world. Instead, they internalize their own representations or models of things that exist or things that happen in the real world, and people react to, and interact with, those internal representations.