Who's Better?: Bobby Fischer, Garry Kasparov, or Magnus Carlsen

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Mauvile

fischer plays like a machine

bigswamper

Magnus is GOAT

bigswamper

it doesnt matter how good for there time they were

Magnus would destroy Fisher

TR077KING

ALEKHINE. READ A CHESS BOOK, a55ho73

taseredbirdinstinct

Alekhine would have given Kasparov a good run for his money.

hellodebake

Good to read this, TRO 77 King. I think Fischer is the best, but Aljechin is my chess hero!

654Psyfox

Garry Kasprov

bababazly

Hans Niemann worthy to be amongst the 3 greats? Theres lots of topics saying he cheat but then having Stockfish is also a cheat. Perhaps Niemann is a computer programmer, who cracked the code!

GuanRenee
I feel like some of them are overrated
SmyslovFan
GuanRenee wrote:
I feel like some of them are overrated

For a moment, I thought this was absurd. But you’re right.

Kasparov and Carlsen have the two highest ratings of all time. Last I looked, Fischer’s best puts him at 21st, behind a slew of young stars and also Anatoly Karpov.

Measuring just on pure skill, Fischer is definitely overrated.

Measuring on greatness as measured by dominance for a long period, Fischer definitely rates behind Karpov. Does Fischer’s miracle year where he had a brief period as the most dominant player in history outrâtes Lasker’s 27 years as the greatest player on the planet? I think that’s a toss-up.

So yeah, Fischer is probably slightly overrated. He is either 21st best all time (but his best would currently place him in the top three in the world), or tied for 4-5th greatest ever in terms of dominance.

ssctk
SmyslovFan wrote:
GuanRenee wrote:
I feel like some of them are overrated

For a moment, I thought this was absurd. But you’re right.

Kasparov and Carlsen have the two highest ratings of all time. Last I looked, Fischer’s best puts him at 21st, behind a slew of young stars and also Anatoly Karpov.

Measuring just on pure skill, Fischer is definitely overrated.

Measuring on greatness as measured by dominance for a long period, Fischer definitely rates behind Karpov. Does Fischer’s miracle year where he had a brief period as the most dominant player in history outrâtes Lasker’s 27 years as the greatest player on the planet? I think that’s a toss-up.

So yeah, Fischer is probably slightly overrated. He is either 21st best all time (but his best would currently place him in the top three in the world), or tied for 4-5th greatest ever in terms of dominance.

 

Well it's not like his dominance was short and then his performance dropped, plus his dominance was very strong. He had mental health issues, which like health issues do didn't allow him to continue his career.

A lot of people try to explain his withdrawal "logically", when it's more likely that it's explained by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. In my view he never intended to play Karpov, he entered negotiations intending to duck the match but this is also not a predictor for the outcome of such a match.

It's not Karpov's fault that they didn't play, but nor

 Fischer's, because he's not at "fault" for developing mental disorders.

 

Karpov was an amazing player on his own right, as was Fischer. Assuming '70-'72 level of play, in 1975 likely Fischer would have an edge, but Karpov would also get stronger because of such a match, like Kasparov did after his first match with Karpov. Karpov of the 80s was stronger that Fischer of the 70s and it's impossible to speculate how Fischer would had been in the 80s if he didn't have a mental disorders, if he sustained his peak, if, if, if.

 

Seeing them play would had been amazing, both were amazing players and their styles are not as different as advertised, especially with the White pieces 

taseredbirdinstinct
SmyslovFan wrote:
GuanRenee wrote:
I feel like some of them are overrated

For a moment, I thought this was absurd. But you’re right.

Kasparov and Carlsen have the two highest ratings of all time. Last I looked, Fischer’s best puts him at 21st, behind a slew of young stars and also Anatoly Karpov.

Measuring just on pure skill, Fischer is definitely overrated.

Measuring on greatness as measured by dominance for a long period, Fischer definitely rates behind Karpov. Does Fischer’s miracle year where he had a brief period as the most dominant player in history outrâtes Lasker’s 27 years as the greatest player on the planet? I think that’s a toss-up.

So yeah, Fischer is probably slightly overrated. He is either 21st best all time (but his best would currently place him in the top three in the world), or tied for 4-5th greatest ever in terms of dominance.

Look at how well Korchnoi did against Fischer and we shall see whether we still consider Fischer to be the greatest.

trimalo

Bobby Fisher because he did the impossible, that is beating the Russian team, ALONE. In ELO Gary Kasparov is the best.

Mete_chess_11

Can't believe there's still an argument like this. Gasparov of course. First of all, he plays his game like a gentleman. That's the most important thing. He's just a pro.

bigswamper

magnus is best

psychohist
Oyna10dakika wrote:

Can't believe there's still an argument like this. Gasparov of course. First of all, he plays his game like a gentleman. That's the most important thing. He's just a pro.

 

Gentlemen violate the touch move rule?

psychohist
trimalo wrote:

Bobby Fisher because he did the impossible, that is beating the Russian team alone. In ELO Gary Kasparov is the best.

 

In ELO, it's hard to say anyone other than Carlson is best - unless you try to adjust for ELO inflation, in which case you could make a case that Fischer is the best there too.

Mete_chess_11
psychohist yazdı:
Oyna10dakika wrote:

Can't believe there's still an argument like this. Gasparov of course. First of all, he plays his game like a gentleman. That's the most important thing. He's just a pro.

 

Gentlemen violate the touch move rule?

Do you actually care about the touch move rule?! We are all humans everyone of us makes mistakes. Like he violate a very important rule that is gonna change the whole tournament. Please be realistic.

BookBookWorm
Magnus
lfPatriotGames

I'm sure someone else has also answered this correctly. The obvious answer is Carlsen. Because of the actual question, "who's" better. Not who "was" better. If the question was who was better in the 1990s, it was Kasparov. If the question was who was better in the 1960s, it was Fischer. Anyone can be better, depending on all sorts of factors and circumstances.

But the greatest of all time, Fischer.