Who's Better?: Bobby Fischer, Garry Kasparov, or Magnus Carlsen

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njzuraw13
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
bodysatellite wrote:

ok I want to apologize for my bad language about jews, since I was drunk and I really don't like what Kasparov did to chess. I shouldn't have tried to say that all jews are obnoxious like him. He did hurt chess though, and I think Karpov is the rightful owner of that first match championship.

Such language is prohibited by the site and people who create such posts, drunk or not, should be barred from posting on the site. 

There's nothing wrong with criticising and mocking another race, as long as foul and dirty language wasn't used.

"There's nothing wrong with ridiculing an entire racial/ethnic group, so long as you don't curse" 

Yeah, okay bud, that's definitely a correct perspective that makes total sense, yep

njzuraw13
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:
hellodebake wrote:

To your last paragraph, batgirl, i remember Fischer talking about his fear of the Russian mob, saying ''people just don't know how much they ( Russians ) would like to have me out of the way."

Every paranoid talks like this. 

You don't have any evidence that Bobby Fischer was a paranoid schizophrenic, you are talking out of your butt.

GM Dr. Reuden Fine PsyD said Fischer showed many signs of Schizophrenia

taseredbirdinstinct
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
bodysatellite wrote:

ok I want to apologize for my bad language about jews, since I was drunk and I really don't like what Kasparov did to chess. I shouldn't have tried to say that all jews are obnoxious like him. He did hurt chess though, and I think Karpov is the rightful owner of that first match championship.

Such language is prohibited by the site and people who create such posts, drunk or not, should be barred from posting on the site. 

There's nothing wrong with criticising and mocking another race, as long as foul and dirty language wasn't used.

"There's nothing wrong with ridiculing an entire racial/ethnic group, so long as you don't curse" 

Yeah, okay bud, that's definitely a correct perspective that makes total sense, yep

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, it makes you look whiny. You don't sound too intelligent to be honest. Keep on being PC!

taseredbirdinstinct
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:
hellodebake wrote:

To your last paragraph, batgirl, i remember Fischer talking about his fear of the Russian mob, saying ''people just don't know how much they ( Russians ) would like to have me out of the way."

Every paranoid talks like this. 

You don't have any evidence that Bobby Fischer was a paranoid schizophrenic, you are talking out of your butt.

GM Dr. Reuden Fine PsyD said Fischer showed many signs of Schizophrenia

Taking just one quote from someone without any context behind their reasoning as supporting evidence is a sign of a pseudo-intellectual.

njzuraw13
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
bodysatellite wrote:

ok I want to apologize for my bad language about jews, since I was drunk and I really don't like what Kasparov did to chess. I shouldn't have tried to say that all jews are obnoxious like him. He did hurt chess though, and I think Karpov is the rightful owner of that first match championship.

Such language is prohibited by the site and people who create such posts, drunk or not, should be barred from posting on the site. 

There's nothing wrong with criticising and mocking another race, as long as foul and dirty language wasn't used.

"There's nothing wrong with ridiculing an entire racial/ethnic group, so long as you don't curse" 

Yeah, okay bud, that's definitely a correct perspective that makes total sense, yep

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, it makes you look whiny. You don't sound too intelligent to be honest. Keep on being PC!

The only other critique is just saying you sound absurd, rewording it helps to get that point across

It's really not that complicated

 

As for the Bobby fischer one: Quoting a psychologist saying that fischer showed signs of schizophrenia is not quoting without context: Fine was asked if he thought fischer was ill, that is what he said, that's all the quotes we have. So, no, not without context.

taseredbirdinstinct
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
bodysatellite wrote:

ok I want to apologize for my bad language about jews, since I was drunk and I really don't like what Kasparov did to chess. I shouldn't have tried to say that all jews are obnoxious like him. He did hurt chess though, and I think Karpov is the rightful owner of that first match championship.

Such language is prohibited by the site and people who create such posts, drunk or not, should be barred from posting on the site. 

There's nothing wrong with criticising and mocking another race, as long as foul and dirty language wasn't used.

"There's nothing wrong with ridiculing an entire racial/ethnic group, so long as you don't curse" 

Yeah, okay bud, that's definitely a correct perspective that makes total sense, yep

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, it makes you look whiny. You don't sound too intelligent to be honest. Keep on being PC!

The only other critique is just saying you sound absurd, rewording it helps to get that point across

It's really not that complicated

 

As for the Bobby fischer one: Quoting a psychologist saying that fischer showed signs of schizophrenia is not quoting without context: Fine was asked if he thought fischer was ill, that is what he said, that's all the quotes we have. So, no, not without context.

You used sarcasm as an alternative to petty name calling, don't convince yourself that your input was needed as I had already figured this much out despite you trying to reword what I had just pointed out in a pathetic attempt to make yourself sound witty.

As for what Reuben Fine said, I would hardly call that evidence, you are going to need more than that. Is that all you've got? Don't get mad just because you mistake my inability to come to terms with your extraordinary claims with me making assumptions.

njzuraw13
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
bodysatellite wrote:

ok I want to apologize for my bad language about jews, since I was drunk and I really don't like what Kasparov did to chess. I shouldn't have tried to say that all jews are obnoxious like him. He did hurt chess though, and I think Karpov is the rightful owner of that first match championship.

Such language is prohibited by the site and people who create such posts, drunk or not, should be barred from posting on the site. 

There's nothing wrong with criticising and mocking another race, as long as foul and dirty language wasn't used.

"There's nothing wrong with ridiculing an entire racial/ethnic group, so long as you don't curse" 

Yeah, okay bud, that's definitely a correct perspective that makes total sense, yep

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, it makes you look whiny. You don't sound too intelligent to be honest. Keep on being PC!

The only other critique is just saying you sound absurd, rewording it helps to get that point across

It's really not that complicated

 

As for the Bobby fischer one: Quoting a psychologist saying that fischer showed signs of schizophrenia is not quoting without context: Fine was asked if he thought fischer was ill, that is what he said, that's all the quotes we have. So, no, not without context.

You used sarcasm as an alternative to petty name calling, don't convince yourself that your input was needed as I had already figured this much out despite you trying to reword what I had just pointed out in a pathetic attempt to make yourself sound witty.

As for what Reuben Fine said, I would hardly call that evidence, you are going to need more than that. Is that all you've got? Don't get mad just because you mistake my inability to come to terms with your extraordinary claims with me making assumptions.

Shadowboxing on Mike Tyson levels, almost impressive. As for your question, yes, the opinion of a psychologist, an expert in mental disorders, is decent supporting evidence, though the primary will always be Fischer's famously erratic behaviour. (I never said you were making assumptions, lol, and I also didn't claim to be an intellectual, I play chess, I'm not in academia in any way)

It's good to see that people with bigoted beliefs are so unilaterally... not intelligent (I don't want to be banned by ChessCom, I'm not gonna risk it)

taseredbirdinstinct
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
bodysatellite wrote:

ok I want to apologize for my bad language about jews, since I was drunk and I really don't like what Kasparov did to chess. I shouldn't have tried to say that all jews are obnoxious like him. He did hurt chess though, and I think Karpov is the rightful owner of that first match championship.

Such language is prohibited by the site and people who create such posts, drunk or not, should be barred from posting on the site. 

There's nothing wrong with criticising and mocking another race, as long as foul and dirty language wasn't used.

"There's nothing wrong with ridiculing an entire racial/ethnic group, so long as you don't curse" 

Yeah, okay bud, that's definitely a correct perspective that makes total sense, yep

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, it makes you look whiny. You don't sound too intelligent to be honest. Keep on being PC!

The only other critique is just saying you sound absurd, rewording it helps to get that point across

It's really not that complicated

 

As for the Bobby fischer one: Quoting a psychologist saying that fischer showed signs of schizophrenia is not quoting without context: Fine was asked if he thought fischer was ill, that is what he said, that's all the quotes we have. So, no, not without context.

You used sarcasm as an alternative to petty name calling, don't convince yourself that your input was needed as I had already figured this much out despite you trying to reword what I had just pointed out in a pathetic attempt to make yourself sound witty.

As for what Reuben Fine said, I would hardly call that evidence, you are going to need more than that. Is that all you've got? Don't get mad just because you mistake my inability to come to terms with your extraordinary claims with me making assumptions.

Shadowboxing on Mike Tyson levels, almost impressive. As for your question, yes, the opinion of a psychologist, an expert in mental disorders, is decent supporting evidence, though the primary will always be Fischer's famously erratic behaviour. (I never said you were making assumptions, lol, and I also didn't claim to be an intellectual, I play chess, I'm not in academia in any way)

It's good to see that people with bigoted beliefs are so unilaterally... not intelligent (I don't want to be banned by ChessCom, I'm not gonna risk it)

I'm not shadow boxing, I'm making apt remarks about your character traitors that you seem to not be very aware of, hence me talking to you like you are a brick wall may feel at times as if I'm talking to myself, but those are just your feelings, they aren't fact, so relax.

The opinions of one singular expert that were garnered without reliance on the methods that he used to gain those opinions are actually quite useless, a baseless appeal to authority. Fischer's erratic behaviour wasn't caused by psychosis, nor was it caused by bigotry. Fischer was fairly intelligent, I'm sure he wasn't stupid despite you saying he's bigoted.

lfPatriotGames
thecatlover99 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
hellodebake wrote:

Fischer has been dead since 2008!

That's what I heard. So it's weird the op would include him when comparing people to ask who is  the best right now. Since Fischer is currently dead, I think we can safely rule him out as a contender. 

That's not the question, the question is: if they could play each other who do you think would when, and the answer is obviously magnus Carlsen 

Oh. I misread the title of the topic then. I thought it says ""who's better?  bobby fischer- garry kasparov-or- magnus clarsen". Not who was better. Not if they played each other. "whos" is a contraction of who is. So the answer is currently Carlsen. If the question is who WAS better then it could be one of the other two. My opinion it was Fischer. 

njzuraw13
lfPatriotGames wrote:
thecatlover99 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
hellodebake wrote:

Fischer has been dead since 2008!

That's what I heard. So it's weird the op would include him when comparing people to ask who is  the best right now. Since Fischer is currently dead, I think we can safely rule him out as a contender. 

That's not the question, the question is: if they could play each other who do you think would when, and the answer is obviously magnus Carlsen 

Oh. I misread the title of the topic then. I thought it says ""whos better bobby fischer- garry kasparov-or- magnus clarsen". Not who was better. Not if they played each other. "whos" is a contraction of who is. So the answer is currently Carlsen. If the question is who WAS better then it could be one of the other two. My opinion it was Fischer. 

"Who's" can mean "Who was" given proper context. i.e. "Did you go to the party on Saturday" "Yeah" "Who's there?" "Just Jim and his friends"

BUT, you are correct in that this title doesn't properly convey that meaning, as it isn't given the context to assume "Who was" (Besides maybe the fact that Bobby Fischer is dead)

Language is all about context and use case (God, I hate Wittgenstein)

taseredbirdinstinct

Yet we still need to discuss alekhine.

njzuraw13
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

Yet we still need to discuss alekhine.

Alekhine was decent, he just dodged Capablanca

taseredbirdinstinct
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

Yet we still need to discuss alekhine.

Alekhine was decent, he just dodged Capablanca

Alekhine never dodged Capablanca.

njzuraw13
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

Yet we still need to discuss alekhine.

Alekhine was decent, he just dodged Capablanca

Alekhine never dodged Capablanca.

Yeah I realized I mixed Marshall and Alex, I'm just too lazy to delete it

taseredbirdinstinct
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

Yet we still need to discuss alekhine.

Alekhine was decent, he just dodged Capablanca

Alekhine never dodged Capablanca.

Yeah I realized I mixed Marshall and Alex, I'm just too lazy to delete it

Frank Marshall didn't dodge Capablanca.

taseredbirdinstinct
warlard69420 wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

Yet we still need to discuss alekhine.

Alekhine was decent, he just dodged Capablanca

Alekhine never dodged Capablanca.

Yeah I realized I mixed Marshall and Alex, I'm just too lazy to delete it

Quit pretending that you know what you're talking about, kid. 

That's a bit harsh. He just gave his opinion.

Emman554215

Kasparov

taseredbirdinstinct
Emman554215 wrote:

Kasparov

Not even Alekhine?

njzuraw13
warlard69420 wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

Yet we still need to discuss alekhine.

Alekhine was decent, he just dodged Capablanca

Alekhine never dodged Capablanca.

Yeah I realized I mixed Marshall and Alex, I'm just too lazy to delete it

Quit pretending that you know what you're talking about, kid.

Marshall, not Alekhine, oops, was famous for dodging Capa for years and playing sub-par WCC challengers. It's a really fascinating part of chess history, you should look into it!

(The again, every part of chess history is fascinating)

Triska13

As a chess player... my answer would be "None of them: you cannot compare eras". I suppose Magnus is the strongest person to have ever played the game - but, had Fischer and Kasparov had access to modern engines and all the other stuff that Magnus has at his fingertips, who's to say they couldn't have matched (or even exceeded) him?

As a human being... Magnus and Kasparov are both vastly, vastly superior to Fischer.