I find online chess is generally geared towards the speed chess segment and even 15/10 rapid is too fast, for me at least.
Having the additional time to think, calculate, visualize and blunder check makes a world of difference.
Why am I so much better otb then online
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Jul 5, 2023
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MyRatingIs1523IsBack wrote:
you got lied to to feel better about yourself lmao
Well I do feel like 1300 is too much but if a Coach would lie like that to make you feel better instead of just telling you what you need to improve that'd just be a bad coach
What time controls do you play otb? I mainly play 60 min online but most classical tournmanets are 90|30 which gives me more time to think and thus lets me make deeper decisions. Also I feel like the desparity between your ratings otb and online is just because of the differences between how those ratings are given. Especially on chess.com your rating fluctuates a ton when you first start and than it kinda stabilizes, and since you tend to play many more games online compared to otb your rating might start somewhere decently high and than fall way down which takes a while to correct. It might just be that otb tournaments are more "focused" environments for chess playing.
Glancing at a few of your games, I would say that your chess understanding is about the level of a 1200 or higher - above your current rating. This is likely why your coach estimated 1300 to 1400.
But your tactical ability is much lower. Missing tactics is, mainly, what's holding you back. You've lost a few games from one-move blunders, even though you were dominating the game up until that point.
Spend more time working on tactical puzzles, and your rating should eventually rise ...
Optimissed wrote:
You can't learn chess online. You have to join an otb club.
And why can one not learn chess online? Please do also explain how one can solely learn chess by joining an otb club.
Is it because I like to play when I am tired? If playing otb pretty much when your alert, then yes playing tired most often can certainly contribute to more losses.
Is it because I am less hesitent about moves online? Being less hesitant to me means you are not looking as carefully. So yes it can lead to a greater number of bad moves which can lead to more losses.
Is it because online I try out opening that I don't really know how to play? Short answer yes of course. If your opponent is not familiar with the opening then it becomes a contest of which sees what. If your opponent is very familiar/good with your new to you opening, then he/she would understand traps, gambits and such, along with familiarity of a good response to whatever move you make.
Is it because otb I do not want to try out anything stupid that "might work" (it never does)? Playing stupid moves may work sometimes, but by large I see overall as detrimental. If you are playing stupid moves online, and good moves otb, then probably you are losing more games online.
Or could it be something like the fact that Club players are more principalt than players online allowing me to better use the concepts I know.
First, it is apparent that you are playing very differently online vs otb and it is not working. In my opinion if you rarely play online, then this may contribute. I have had, back in the sixties early seventies club players tell me that they hated playing people like me. They explained when questioned, it was because I did not follow book moves (Principled/Playing like the Masters/ Better chess). My moves took them out of their comfort/ knowledge/ how to respond zone and I had more wins than loses. If you play online a lot also, then online you should get many people that play such as I did back then, so no it shouldn't cause a problem so much. It is the others things which most likely are.
Optimissed wrote:
You can't learn chess online. You have to join an otb club.
There are all kind of sources in the end. In essence it's up to your will to learn.
Club colleagues (personal trainers) make one of those though. I never had a personal trainer, I learned everything I know solely, mainly from the books and lately some - online by either following better players or solving interactive puzzles.
I noticed the most I get comes from studying it on my own. A personal trainer DOES speed up the process, but also kill most of the joy, at least in my book.
Slow Learner.
Optimissed wrote:
You can't learn chess online. You have to join an otb club.
how did u come to this conclusion
Jul 6, 2023
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you're the same elo otb and online, don't kid yourself that we're going to give you an ego boost here
You play fast loose and reckless online probably
itay72 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
You can't learn chess online. You have to join an otb club.
how did u come to this conclusion
The only reason I can think of is they must be a physical element to chess.
Jul 6, 2023
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Optimissed wrote:
You can't learn chess online. You have to join an otb club.
wrong
Jul 6, 2023
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Optimissed wrote:
bigD521 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
You can't learn chess online. You have to join an otb club.
And why can one not learn chess online? Please do also explain how one can solely learn chess by joining an otb club.
It may be difficult, perhaps, to explain it to you. However, in a good otb club, you're going to find someone who can play a few games with you and who is willing to discuss them quietly with you and in a way which you can learn from quickly. Too many people here with too many opinions and too much attitude, so people get lost and confused, even without realising it.
In an otb club, if you're liked and show yourself to be a willing pupil, you'll probably learn more in four sessions than you would here in six months. There's so much here that works contrarily to learning chess well. The games review is worse than useless. Just repetitive, rather meaningless drivel. The puzzles don't teach you much either, as anyone can tell when they see someone with a rating of 1400 and a puzzle rating of over 2000. It's also difficult to find people who are willing to play at the right speed to learn at. No-one at all can learn anything from bullet. Only players that are already good can learn from blitz. All moves in half an hour is a good format to learn with but not here because there are too many players who misuse the time controls in various ways. You can't learn anything from a person whose first aim is to win on time. Will that do for starters?
Unfortunately Steven didn't realise that there was a difference between learning and how fast you learn before posting in the online forums.
Jul 6, 2023
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Optimissed wrote:
Hidethe_painHarold wrote:
Optimissed wrote:bigD521 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
You can't learn chess online. You have to join an otb club.
And why can one not learn chess online? Please do also explain how one can solely learn chess by joining an otb club.
bigD521 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
You can't learn chess online. You have to join an otb club.
And why can one not learn chess online? Please do also explain how one can solely learn chess by joining an otb club.
It may be difficult, perhaps, to explain it to you. However, in a good otb club, you're going to find someone who can play a few games with you and who is willing to discuss them quietly with you and in a way which you can learn from quickly. Too many people here with too many opinions and too much attitude, so people get lost and confused, even without realising it.
In an otb club, if you're liked and show yourself to be a willing pupil, you'll probably learn more in four sessions than you would here in six months. There's so much here that works contrarily to learning chess well. The games review is worse than useless. Just repetitive, rather meaningless drivel. The puzzles don't teach you much either, as anyone can tell when they see someone with a rating of 1400 and a puzzle rating of over 2000. It's also difficult to find people who are willing to play at the right speed to learn at. No-one at all can learn anything from bullet. Only players that are already good can learn from blitz. All moves in half an hour is a good format to learn with but not here because there are too many players who misuse the time controls in various ways. You can't learn anything from a person whose first aim is to win on time. Will that do for starters?
Unfortunately Steven didn't realise that there was a difference between learning and how fast you learn before posting in the online forums.
You must be called Steven.
If you approached people in that sort of manner in an otb club, you'd be disliked by everyone, pretty much. It's a very good example of the differences between here and face to face. The complaint of the very many people here, who feel they aren't improving, is that their improvement is so slow here, unless they really have talent. Without much talent, it's still possible to improve quickly but probably not in an environment like this one, which can be pretty off-putting to many, for reasons you yourself exemplify.
A. 'you must be called steven' is a comeback i'd expect an 11 yr old to come up with
B. then trying to make out that i'm being toxic is just weak considering i was correcting your mistake
C. restating the same mistake doesn't somehow make the mistake no longer one. The point still stands. you can learn chess online
I've been playing at a Club for about 2 months now. I started learning chess about a month before joining it. My Coach says that I am improving extremly quickly. My Coach asked me if I played online and I said yes. He asked me what elo I was and when I said I was about 600 he was quite surprised. He expected me to be about 1300 or 1400. I also have the feeling that I am way worse online then otb before I talked to him. Is it because I like to play when I am tired? Is it because I am less hesitent about moves online? Is it because online I try out opening that I don't really know how to play? Is it because otb I do not want to try out anything stupid that "might work" (it never does)? Or could it be something like the fact that Club players are more principalt than players online allowing me to better use the concepts I know