Why are Chess Lessons so overpriced?

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GodsPawn2016
KiNgNiCk23 wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
KiNgNiCk23 wrote:

... I think the demand is pretty high for chess coaches, but not to pay $50 an hour or more. I think there is a lot of room for improvement in the marketplace which will evolve over time. 

 

If you are correct, high demand will tend to drive rates up, in general. If a coach sets a rate and doesn't change it, then apparently they have found the correct level for themselves or at least one that provides what they want.

 

There are already coaches all over the price spectrum. If I was of master+ strength, there is no chance I would charge less than $20/hour and that is if I was just trying to supplement my income. If I had to replace it, I would charge more to cover other associated costs.

$20 an hour is respectable, but there are lots of coaches in the coaching section... (most of them) charge $50 - $150 an hour... It's insane. 

My coach charges $65/Hour.  Some think that is ridiculous, but it works for me.  And its my money :-)

lfPatriotGames
KiNgNiCk23 wrote:

You must not be very business minded. No offense, but that is not the reason for being a specialist. Specialists need to compete with other specialists if they want to strive above one another just like anything else unless you only want to work 2 hours a day and just get by. One specialist could charge significantly lower prices then all the other specialists and choose to work harder. In return he or she will have a higher income, more clients and perhaps he/she will be able to higher specialists as employees and start his/her own business. Apart from that she will be helping a lot of people and create lots of value. I think the demand is pretty high for chess coaches, but not to pay $50 an hour or more. I think there is a lot of room for improvement in the marketplace which will evolve over time. 

I think you answered your own concern. One specialist "could" charge less and work  harder. But do you see that happening?  Your concern seems to be that many coaches charge too much and work too few hours. But that is the point of being a specialist. Candidate35 is right, there isn't much point in complaining about what others charge.  If you think it's "insane" then either go somewhere else or start your own chess coaching business and charge less than everyone else. Afterall, you say there is plenty of demand for chess coaches, just not at the price you consider sane. I know where I am there is almost zero demand for chess coaches. I helped teach a chess class at our primary school, with a total (for the whole school) of 23 students. Out of those 23, one had parents with a desire to hire a chess coach. We are not talking about tennis or golf (I'm trying to help SilentKnight steer the analogies to golf). Demand for chess coaches is low, which is why prices are so low. If you think they should be even lower, you are going to have to  figure out a way to do something with the existing demand.

aln67

20$ for a lesson fitting your needs, thats really low. Have a look at the price for music lessons, for example.

Of course 150 is on the opposite side, which isn't surprising, since it's more than 7 times 20  :-)  There should be a fair price between these two extreme values.

KassySC
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KassySC wrote:

I am aware of nothing in the chess coach market that artificially raises prices. There is no subsidy. Prices are known. Reviews are widely available. One had ample time to shop by buying.it is not a necessity. What in your opinion,is artificially keeping them expensive?

I agree with you that there is nothing artificially raising prices...i just wanted to refine what you had said. A subsidy would artificially decrease a price, not increase.

 

Subsidies raise prices. Look at college tuition(freely available federal loans), houses(freely available loans), health care(insurance where patient never sees actual cost) just for a few obvious examples.

Martin_Stahl
KiNgNiCk23 wrote:

$20 an hour is respectable, but there are lots of coaches in the coaching section... (most of them) charge $50 - $150 an hour... It's insane. 

 

As I said, if I used coaching to supplement my current income, I wouldn't charge less than that as a master strength player (which I'm not). If I had coaching as my only or primary income, it would easily be double that. That is being based in the US and cost of living in other countries can change the financial equation.

Martin_Stahl

You also have to realize that a good coach likely spends 30 minutes to an hour outside of one-on-one training in preperation, for each student. 

 

A good coach earns their fee.

GodsPawn2016

I float back and forth between USCF A-B, and i charge $10/Hour.

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Your the kinda coach I'd want GodsPawn. I am sure you are just as good if not better than coaches who charge $50 an hour... 

GodsPawn2016
KiNgNiCk23 wrote:

Your the kinda coach I'd want GodsPawn. I am sure you are just as good if not better than coaches who charge $50 an hour... 

Well thank you.  But chess lessons are like anything we pay for.  You want your moneys worth, and as long as youre benefitting from it, i dont think price matters.  I have been told that i am able to explain things so its easy to understand.  I have been blessed with the ability to break things down so its easily understood.  

Andre_Harding

KiNgNiCk23 wrote:

Your the kinda coach I'd want GodsPawn. I am sure you are just as good if not better than coaches who charge $50 an hour... 

SOME coaches are worth the 50 or 100 or 150 per hour that we charge. A coach that can significantly shorten their students' learning curve and generate rating improvement quickly is a valuable commodity. A lot of lower-tier coaches can teach you things about chess and increase your knowledge, but not improve your playing strength or results.

Again, I emphasize the price difference in online or Skype lessons versus an instructor coming to your home.

GodsPawn2016
Andre_Harding wrote:

KiNgNiCk23 wrote:

Your the kinda coach I'd want GodsPawn. I am sure you are just as good if not better than coaches who charge $50 an hour... 

 

SOME coaches are worth the 50 or 100 or 150 per hour that we charge. A coach that can significantly shorten their students' learning curve and generate rating improvement quickly is a valuable commodity. A lot of lower-tier coaches can teach you things about chess and increase your knowledge, but not improve your playing strength or results.

 

Again, I emphasize the price difference in online or Skype lessons versus an instructor coming to your home.

Andre,

I checked out your coaches page.  Now please dont misunderstand what im going to post, but charging $120/Hour for a 2100 player seems (on the surface) a bit extreme.  I say this as someone that has never taken lessons from you, so my view is entirely from the outside.  

There are 2500-2600+ GM's that charge half of that.  Obviously rating, and or titles isnt the final determination in deciding on a coach, but for soomeone like me, If i saw a 2100 player charging $120/Hour?  I would probably look elsewhere, or definitely want a sample of what youre going to do for my improvement.

SilentKnighte5

For $120/hr I expect you to get a false ID and play my tournament games for me.

bbeltkyle89
KassySC wrote:
#107
KassySC wrote:

I am aware of nothing in the chess coach market that artificially raises prices. There is no subsidy. Prices are known. Reviews are widely available. One had ample time to shop by buying.it is not a necessity. What in your opinion,is artificially keeping them expensive?

I agree with you that there is nothing artificially raising prices...i just wanted to refine what you had said. A subsidy would artificially decrease a price, not increase.

 

Subsidies raise prices. Look at college tuition(freely available federal loans), houses(freely available loans), health care(insurance where patient never sees actual cost) just for a few obvious examples.

Ah, you are referring to demand subsidies, and i had assumed you were referring to supply subsidies. 

Andre_Harding

GodsPawn2016 wrote:

Andre_Harding wrote:

KiNgNiCk23 wrote:

Your the kinda coach I'd want GodsPawn. I am sure you are just as good if not better than coaches who charge $50 an hour... 

 

SOME coaches are worth the 50 or 100 or 150 per hour that we charge. A coach that can significantly shorten their students' learning curve and generate rating improvement quickly is a valuable commodity. A lot of lower-tier coaches can teach you things about chess and increase your knowledge, but not improve your playing strength or results.

 

Again, I emphasize the price difference in online or Skype lessons versus an instructor coming to your home.

Andre,

I checked out your coaches page.  Now please dont misunderstand what im going to post, but charging $120/Hour for a 2100 player seems (on the surface) a bit extreme.  I say this as someone that has never taken lessons from you, so my view is entirely from the outside.  

There are 2500-2600+ GM's that charge half of that.  Obviously rating, and or titles isnt the final determination in deciding on a coach, but for soomeone like me, If i saw a 2100 player charging $120/Hour?  I would probably look elsewhere, or definitely want a sample of what youre going to do for my improvement.

No offense taken. But again, remember that 120 is what I charge to go to a student's home. If I gave online lessons (I currently do not), I would charge much less. But 120 is not out of line in NYC if you are an experienced coach who teaches in-home lessons and has made several Class A and B players and one Expert.

GodsPawn2016
Andre_Harding wrote:

GodsPawn2016 wrote:

Andre_Harding wrote:

 

KiNgNiCk23 wrote:

Your the kinda coach I'd want GodsPawn. I am sure you are just as good if not better than coaches who charge $50 an hour... 

 

SOME coaches are worth the 50 or 100 or 150 per hour that we charge. A coach that can significantly shorten their students' learning curve and generate rating improvement quickly is a valuable commodity. A lot of lower-tier coaches can teach you things about chess and increase your knowledge, but not improve your playing strength or results.

 

Again, I emphasize the price difference in online or Skype lessons versus an instructor coming to your home.

 

 

Andre,

I checked out your coaches page.  Now please dont misunderstand what im going to post, but charging $120/Hour for a 2100 player seems (on the surface) a bit extreme.  I say this as someone that has never taken lessons from you, so my view is entirely from the outside.  

There are 2500-2600+ GM's that charge half of that.  Obviously rating, and or titles isnt the final determination in deciding on a coach, but for soomeone like me, If i saw a 2100 player charging $120/Hour?  I would probably look elsewhere, or definitely want a sample of what youre going to do for my improvement.

 

 

No offense taken. But again, remember that 120 is what I charge to go to a student's home. If I gave online lessons (I currently do not), I would charge much less. But 120 is not out of line in NYC if you are an experienced coach who teaches in-home lessons and has made several Class A and B players and one Expert.

Gotcha Andre,

Thanks for the clarification.  

Reb

I dont think a class player needs a coach/trainer that is IM or GM  . Class players can improve a great deal working with NMs or even experts and they charge much less than most IMs/GMs . I made it to NM on my own , no teachers/trainers/coaches ... I simply couldnt afford them . After making NM I did study for some time with an IM and he charged $30. /hr back in the 90s but would give me a break if I took 2 hr/session and charge me $50. and I usually did this . I have also taught over the years and charged $20./hr and have a good friend that still teaches at this rate and is also an NM . Books are cheaper and if you are making progress you dont need a trainer/coach imo until you hit a wall and books no longer help . 

x-2133653114

Wow, well said, Reb. Thank you for your message. 

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LogoCzar
Reb wrote:

I dont think a class player needs a coach/trainer that is IM or GM  . Class players can improve a great deal working with NMs or even experts and they charge much less than most IMs/GMs . I made it to NM on my own , no teachers/trainers/coaches ... I simply couldnt afford them . After making NM I did study for some time with an IM and he charged $30. /hr back in the 90s but would give me a break if I took 2 hr/session and charge me $50. and I usually did this . I have also taught over the years and charged $20./hr and have a good friend that still teaches at this rate and is also an NM . Books are cheaper and if you are making progress you dont need a trainer/coach imo until you hit a wall and books no longer help . 

I hired an IM recently, only had one 1 on 1 lesson so far and I think it was worth it