You should compare chess to basketball - if you don't have the right talent or natural ability, no amount of training will make you a grandmaster.
Why are some people slower than others at chess?
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Cherub_Enjel wrote:
You should compare chess to basketball - if you don't have the right talent or natural ability, no amount of training will make you a grandmaster.
Can you list some of the talent needed? Is it purely just iq? Also I thought chess increased iq so if someone started as a baby they would be all be geniuses right?
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
You should compare chess to basketball - if you don't have the right talent or natural ability, no amount of training will make you a grandmaster.
Not necessarily true about basketball. Lots of stories about underachieving players working hard to increase their talent .
(And no, I am not talking about Michael Jordan who did not actually get cut from his high school team, he was placed on the JV team in 10th because the varsity team was already filled.)
Mar 3, 2017
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Michael Jordan was 6+ feet. He obviously had talent, and worked hard too.
There is no one who is 5.5 feet tall in the NBA. That's what I mean by talent. With chess, the talent is just less obvious.
CantGetRight69 wrote:
For instance I was reading about the polgar sisters and how only 2 of the 3 became grandmasters. Why didn't the third become one as well if its all about hardwork and training? Did the father fail in his experiment if only 2 of 3 became grandmasters? I for instance am struggling with chess I am just making so many blunders and have no gameplan after making a few moves in the opening. I hope I can become rated 2100-2200 eventually so I can reap the full mental benefits of chess.
Failed?
You should learn what that word means. The man raised 3 daughters on chess. One became the greatest womens player of all time. One became a multiple womens world champion. And one became an IM.
Please explain, how that is considered "fail"
IQ is the results of a TEST,
not a measure in anyway of the potential gifts you might have as a chessplayer.
this is a pet peeve of mine- & a widely shared misconception.
thegreat_patzer wrote:
IQ is the results of a TEST,
not a measure in anyway of the potential gifts you might have as a chessplayer.
this is a pet peeve of mine- & a widely shared misconception.
Rick Rosner has an IQ of 192, and the best show he could create was CHiPs.
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
Michael Jordan was 6+ feet. He obviously had talent, and worked hard too.
There is no one who is 5.5 feet tall in the NBA. That's what I mean by talent. With chess, the talent is just less obvious.
That was why I said I was NOT talking about Michael Jordan.
But you are mistaken about no one who is 5-5 in the NBA.
Mugsey Bogues - 5'3"
Earl Boykins - 5'5" (and THAT was a stretch)
Spud Webb - supposedly 5'6" but that was also a stretch, oh and he won the NBA Slam Dunk competition in the 80s, I forget whoch one
Mar 3, 2017
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One realized she had chess dumped on her. Her cat led a bloody revolution and she escaped.
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
You should compare chess to basketball - if you don't have the right talent or natural ability, no amount of training will make you a grandmaster.
Absolutely not true.
Read this!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Talent-Overrated-Separates-World-Class-Performers-ebook/dp/B01HPVHLT4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488569024&sr=8-1&keywords=talent+is+overrated+by+geoff+colvin
Or for a video summary watch this!
Mar 3, 2017
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CantGetRight69 wrote:
For instance I was reading about the polgar sisters and how only 2 of the 3 became grandmasters. Why didn't the third become one as well if its all about hardwork and training? Did the father fail in his experiment if only 2 of 3 became grandmasters? I for instance am struggling with chess I am just making so many blunders and have no gameplan after making a few moves in the opening. I hope I can become rated 2100-2200 eventually so I can reap the full mental benefits of chess.
The one who didn't make it to GM, had something like a 2600 performance rating at the age of 14. She would have been GM if she had stayed interested. Instead she quit. That doesn't say much against L.Polgar's hypothesis.
Mar 3, 2017
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10 years 10,000 hours is pretty much the definition of facile. I feel bad for people who buy into it so easily.
Although sure, hard work over a long time is surely the #1 factor in skill.
Mar 3, 2017
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UnderDog_Chess wrote:
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
You should compare chess to basketball - if you don't have the right talent or natural ability, no amount of training will make you a grandmaster.
Absolutely not true.
Read this!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Talent-Overrated-Separates-World-Class-Performers-ebook/dp/B01HPVHLT4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488569024&sr=8-1&keywords=talent+is+overrated+by+geoff+colvin
Or for a video summary watch this!
This means that if you work very hard at your craft, then you can become world class in something.
It doesn't mean that anyone can be a professional NBA player or chess GM. That's a ridiculous notion.
When Michael Jordan tried baseball, he failed miserably. He wasn't cut out for baseball - not a question of hard work, which he'd always done.
Diakonia wrote:
thegreat_patzer wrote:
IQ is the results of a TEST,
not a measure in anyway of the potential gifts you might have as a chessplayer.
this is a pet peeve of mine- & a widely shared misconception.
Rick Rosner has an IQ of 192, and the best show he could create was CHiPs.
this is a very colorful character! ty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_G._Rosner
....no actually Diakona you've got your guys mixed up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_G._Rosner is the guy with the Huge IQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rosner who produced the Show, Chips.
The older Rick Rosner seems to have had a better life, producing TV shows and becoming a Television Executive.
thegreat_patzer wrote:
....no actually Diakona you've got your guys mixed up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_G._Rosner is the guy with the Huge IQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rosner who produced the Show, Chips.
The older Rick Rosner seems to have had a better life, producing TV shows and becoming a Television Executive.
My apologies then.
just proof that ridiculous IQ doesn't correlate to a great life.
neither does ridiculous chess skills either.
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The one who didn't make it to GM, had something like a 2600 performance rating at the age of 14. She would have been GM if she had stayed interested. Instead she quit. That doesn't say much against L.Polgar's hypothesis.
https://www.chess.com/news/rome-tournament-1989-2415 8,5 / 9 with a round about 2900 Performance, some sources give even something like 2930.
And a very old man was angry about her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxeiGipoFSE 
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
UnderDog_Chess wrote:
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
You should compare chess to basketball - if you don't have the right talent or natural ability, no amount of training will make you a grandmaster.
Absolutely not true.
Read this!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Talent-Overrated-Separates-World-Class-Performers-ebook/dp/B01HPVHLT4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488569024&sr=8-1&keywords=talent+is+overrated+by+geoff+colvin
Or for a video summary watch this!
This means that if you work very hard at your craft, then you can become world class in something.
It doesn't mean that anyone can be a professional NBA player or chess GM. That's a ridiculous notion.
When Michael Jordan tried baseball, he failed miserably. He wasn't cut out for baseball - not a question of hard work, which he'd always done.
You are wrong,
I've been a professional french horn player for 20 years who has played in many of the world's premier orchestras. I can absolutely guarantee you that hard work overcomes most obstacles.
If you think this is not true, then perhaps you need to reevaluate what you define as hard work. The perception of hard work varies considerably from person to person.....
For instance I was reading about the polgar sisters and how only 2 of the 3 became grandmasters. Why didn't the third become one as well if its all about hardwork and training? Did the father fail in his experiment if only 2 of 3 became grandmasters? I for instance am struggling with chess I am just making so many blunders and have no gameplan after making a few moves in the opening. I hope I can become rated 2100-2200 eventually so I can reap the full mental benefits of chess.