Why are speedruns even allowed?

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Ziryab
Ubik42 wrote:
You are tossing around the word semantics a lot, I guess it’s a fancy way of admitting I didn’t say “git gud”.

Maybe you can learn more from books. Maybe not. Or maybe there is stuff you can get from the books but not the master vs amateur speed runs and vice versa.

I have more books than I care to admit, but I learned things from the speed runs, and my rating is higher than yours so I daresay you would learn also.

 

I prefer books. Most of the time I find videos too time consuming. I like Danny King’s PowerPlay, though. And I’ve enjoyed a lot of Kingscrusher’s videos. Occasionally some others.

I don’t know about much about speedruns, and haven’t watched any streamed. 

I did watch two videos last week that each had some aspects of what you are talking about. One was a master looking at a game between two 1000 rated players. He was pretty sarcastic, but it was instructional. The other was a master accepting challenges from much lower players—seems they were about 1300 up to low 2000s—and playing the Halloween Gambit in every game. That was instructive, and even inspirational. So much so that I played the Halloween Gambit for the first time yesterday.

So, I see how streaming a speedrun could be educational. But, I’m inclined to see that CooloutAC has a point that it seems a little nefarious when players don’t know they are participating. 

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
n0time4chess wrote:

Here we go again😂 I wonder how long this time, you can take your picks here😂😂

https://fast-poll.com/poll/e676ade2

Is calling his comment fraudulent considered a personal attack?  Please let me know.   I'm pretty sure you are thinking the same thing though.   I mean first of all my fire tablet is complete crap even compared to his very old ipad.   Chess.com is known to have a real laggy interface while lichess is snappy.    If Magnus is watching he for sure is thinking the same thing about his comment.  hahah.  

But lets face it,  this whole thread is about fraudulent activity sanctioned by the site themselves which as I've said,  lessens the credibility of the site and those who condone it.

 

Wait. You know the age of my iPad?

If you have a new ipad,  its even less believable.  I was giving you the benefit of the doubt lmao.

 

It’s not new. I bought it in May.

Ziryab

@CooloutAC I edited my post while you were replying. There’s more. Not full agreement with the degree of your criticism, but I see your point.

Ziryab
n0time4chess wrote:

what's a J Class player?

 

Someone rated below 200. I think our friend is actually in I Class.

litobrown
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Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
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nTzT wrote:

@CooloutAC judging from your games you ARE being fairly matched. You just aren't happy with being rated around 400. Just accept reality and stop comparing ratings from different websites etc. Last 30 days you have won and lost around the same games and the skill/play in those games have been similar.

I completely disagree.  Go look at my matches on the other site.  Its drastically different and I feel much more fulfilled with mostly close games.  I think you are all in denial want it to be me complaining about my rating.  But thats not the reality.   When I say the rating is innacurate,  it is because the actual skill level of my opponents is all over the dam map at my rating.  Which should not be the case.

 I wish i could see the statistics for the site of how many new accounts are made,  and how many stay active.   I think it would be very revealing.

 

What’s your user name over there? I’ll be happy to look at your games.

I can't believe people always feel the need to ask this.   Did you even bother searching my name?   Do I look like an alt to you?  lol    And if you have been following this thread you will see someone actually downloaded my data on both sites and came to the …

 

 

Not yet. I will. I’m on my iPad and the Lichess app is crap.

Right now I’m catching up on this thread.

There is an app?  I just use the web browser.  To be honest I use an amazon fire tablet and chess.com is way slower and laggy compared to lichess.    Your comment sounds fraudulent.  haha.

 

On my iPad, I play using the app. I review my games and participate in forums via the browser. Playing via the browser on a mobile device can be buggy.

On lichess, I use the app for play. I don’t analyze games there on mobile devices. I wait until I’m at my computer. When I played on my iPad in some club tournaments on Lichess, I used the browser. Didn’t have any problems, but these were slow games.

ok i'll take your word for it,  my apologies.   

 

Downloaded your games. I'll look at a few before the wife and I head out for shopping.

Saw a good sign! You won't stay in I Class long if you keep doing this:



Ubik42
Focus tactics practice on a particular theme like that I think is helpful. I did a few on here focusing on “interference”, since I thought I was weak on spotting those, and suddenly I started seeing them everywhere. Even sometimes inappropriately, but at least I was trying!
Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
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Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
nTzT wrote:

@CooloutAC judging from your games you ARE being fairly matched. You just aren't happy with being rated around 400. Just accept reality and stop comparing ratings from different websites etc. Last 30 days you have won and lost around the same games and the skill/play in those games have been similar.

I completely disagree.  Go look at my matches on the other site.  Its drastically different and I feel much more fulfilled with mostly close games.  I think you are all in denial want it to be me complaining about my rating.  But thats not the reality.   When I say the rating is innacurate,  it is because the actual skill level of my opponents is all over the dam map at my rating.  Which should not be the case.

 I wish i could see the statistics for the site of how many new accounts are made,  and how many stay active.   I think it would be very revealing.

 

What’s your user name over there? I’ll be happy to look at your games.

I can't believe people always feel the need to ask this.   Did you even bother searching my name?   Do I look like an alt to you?  lol    And if you have been following this thread you will see someone actually downloaded my data on both sites and came to the …

 

 

Not yet. I will. I’m on my iPad and the Lichess app is crap.

Right now I’m catching up on this thread.

There is an app?  I just use the web browser.  To be honest I use an amazon fire tablet and chess.com is way slower and laggy compared to lichess.    Your comment sounds fraudulent.  haha.

 

On my iPad, I play using the app. I review my games and participate in forums via the browser. Playing via the browser on a mobile device can be buggy.

On lichess, I use the app for play. I don’t analyze games there on mobile devices. I wait until I’m at my computer. When I played on my iPad in some club tournaments on Lichess, I used the browser. Didn’t have any problems, but these were slow games.

ok i'll take your word for it,  my apologies.   

 

Downloaded your games. I'll look at a few before the wife and I head out for shopping.

Saw a good sign! You won't stay in I Class long if you keep doing this:



lmao.   bro.  i'm thrilled i won 4 games in the tourney yesterday as the lowest rated player.  I'm happy whatever my rating is as long as the matchups feel legit.   Even on lichess there is alot of disconnects which don't feel too satisfying.  I'll still lose in under 7 moves on occassion.  but for the most part the matches are always close there.   Even in that tourney everything felt legit.  The only guy who literally rolled me on every single move was this 2500 rated guy.  way out of my league every time i moved a piece i was like UGH, that was a mistake.  lol

 

You were beating that 1738. The game is posted.

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
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Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
nTzT wrote:

@CooloutAC judging from your games you ARE being fairly matched. You just aren't happy with being rated around 400. Just accept reality and stop comparing ratings from different websites etc. Last 30 days you have won and lost around the same games and the skill/play in those games have been similar.

I completely disagree.  Go look at my matches on the other site.  Its drastically different and I feel much more fulfilled with mostly close games.  I think you are all in denial want it to be me complaining about my rating.  But thats not the reality.   When I say the rating is innacurate,  it is because the actual skill level of my opponents is all over the dam map at my rating.  Which should not be the case.

 I wish i could see the statistics for the site of how many new accounts are made,  and how many stay active.   I think it would be very revealing.

 

What’s your user name over there? I’ll be happy to look at your games.

I can't believe people always feel the need to ask this.   Did you even bother searching my name?   Do I look like an alt to you?  lol    And if you have been following this thread you will see someone actually downloaded my data on both sites and came to the …

 

 

Not yet. I will. I’m on my iPad and the Lichess app is crap.

Right now I’m catching up on this thread.

There is an app?  I just use the web browser.  To be honest I use an amazon fire tablet and chess.com is way slower and laggy compared to lichess.    Your comment sounds fraudulent.  haha.

 

On my iPad, I play using the app. I review my games and participate in forums via the browser. Playing via the browser on a mobile device can be buggy.

On lichess, I use the app for play. I don’t analyze games there on mobile devices. I wait until I’m at my computer. When I played on my iPad in some club tournaments on Lichess, I used the browser. Didn’t have any problems, but these were slow games.

ok i'll take your word for it,  my apologies.   

 

Downloaded your games. I'll look at a few before the wife and I head out for shopping.

Saw a good sign! You won't stay in I Class long if you keep doing this:



lmao.   bro.  i'm thrilled i won 4 games in the tourney yesterday as the lowest rated player.  I'm happy whatever my rating is as long as the matchups feel legit.   Even on lichess there is alot of disconnects which don't feel too satisfying.  I'll still lose in under 7 moves on occassion.  but for the most part the matches are always close there.   Even in that tourney everything felt legit.  The only guy who literally rolled me on every single move was this 2500 rated guy.  way out of my league every time i moved a piece i was like UGH, that was a mistake.  lol

 

You were beating that 1738. The game is posted.

Ya i beat this 1700 named Luchik_1 in the tourney.  And he actually placed very well in the standings so dont' know how i pulled that off. 

 

He blundered by castling long, giving you a blistering attack that won material and could have led to mate, then he lost on time because he had chosen to go beserk. His strategy seems to be to play recklessly for mate. Even though you blundered away a knight, you parried his threats.

Brisingaro

he beat a 1700 but i just watched him loose to a 200??? interesting

i wonder if the 1700 was overrated or the 200 underrated

 

krazeechess

ok so after all that speedrun debating what is the final stance

Ziryab
krazeechess wrote:

ok so after all that speedrun debating what is the final stance

 

Chess streamers should be required to submit to a human subjects review board before they do a speedrun.

Ziryab

At least his avatar is a smurf. That's almost like warning the opponent he's not on the level.

m_3_h

When we say they need permission from chess.com and the rating gets refunded, that's simply not good enough, especially so for premium membership members. I play chess with the expectation I'm being matched with someone that's within the bounds of possibility that I'll win.

Being paired against one of the top players in the world where there's -100% chance I'll win all so that he can make a youtube video with click bait title so he can make money is not in what I signed up for when I paid for my membership.

If we, by we I really mean chess.com, want the exposure to grow the community further then just make this something open, scheduled, advertised and plenty of 400 rated players would sign up to play with Hikaru just for the sake of it.  When you do this you guarantee everyone there is there with to be slapped around instead of frustrating some random player who probably paid for a premium membership and is expecting a fair game.

As it stands now, any smurfing from my point of view needs to be dealt with with absolute brutality. Ban all their known accounts. Rating manipulation needs to be a bannable offence and if you can ignore the rules just because you're a GM, it kinda says something about this "community" we're trying to bring people into. There are rules except if you're good, then it's free for all and cheat all you want.

In the end, would rather have a cool 1700 to play with than a toxic 3200.

My 2 cents

athlblue

Ahem. Learn from the good players.

m_3_h
kracker12345 wrote:

Ahem. Learn from the good players.


You're rated 2000+ on blitz and my highest has been 1300. I'm 100% sure I'm learning nothing from playing you as all your moves are at a depth I can't calculate so zero learning to be done there.

Playing against Hikaru would be even worse, even if he's explaining how if I make "this move" I get matted in 6 moves, I can't see that far ahead regardless of how many times that happens, so nothing to learn really.

When you then match Hikaru vs a 400 rated player, it's like telling the ants to learn to avoid the boots by getting stepped on repeatedly. 

InsertInterestingNameHere

You seem to be using/taking your opinions as objective facts and using that to make your points. Whether chess is a sport or not is debatable, and no matter how strongly you feel on the subject, it’s always debatable because people have different opinions. The way you feel about speedruns is also simply an opinion, and the way you’ve been talking to the other members here shows that you’re the one that’s unsportsmanlike.

InsertInterestingNameHere

Some people don’t consider softball a “real sport” considering it’s an “easier baseball”, and although I disagree, I can’t really prove them wrong or right because you can’t prove an opinion right or wrong. Because they’re opinions.

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
kracker12345 wrote:

Ahem. Learn from the good players.

Thats probably the worst and most inefficient way to learn.

 

“Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.”


― Eleanor Roosevelt

Ziryab
m_3_h wrote:
kracker12345 wrote:

Ahem. Learn from the good players.


You're rated 2000+ on blitz and my highest has been 1300. I'm 100% sure I'm learning nothing from playing you as all your moves are at a depth I can't calculate so zero learning to be done there.

Playing against Hikaru would be even worse, even if he's explaining how if I make "this move" I get matted in 6 moves, I can't see that far ahead regardless of how many times that happens, so nothing to learn really.

When you then match Hikaru vs a 400 rated player, it's like telling the ants to learn to avoid the boots by getting stepped on repeatedly. 

 

In my opinion, beginners learn best from Greco, Sarratt, Morphy, and eventually Steinitz, Capablanca, Alekhine. I agree the play of today's GMs are well beyond their comprehension. In fact, I'm a bit above beginner and I'm finding that Capablanca's games are more useful to me than Nakamura's.