Why are speedruns even allowed?

Can I ask why you feel so strongly about this subject, why do you even care this much...?

Studying is not frustrating. It is why I can play the game above a beginner level. But some players' games are more useful because the moves are understandable.

I guarantee that you will benefit substantially from playing through all of https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=72111

After studying this small number of games, even superficially, you will win by checkmate more often. You will leave fewer pieces en prise. You will more often notice when your opponent as done so.

imo it really boils down to how you feel about being utterly destroyed. Some people go, "ah, my opponent played almost perfectly! I will try to see if i can learn anything from this beating", while others may think "ah, my opponent is too strong, I am not having fun playing like this".

Context matters. You were replying to me. I was talking about studying.

Enough with the attacks. They only make you look worse.

Not entirely sure why we're talking about scenarios other than people faking their rating by creating a new account for the sake of content.

If chess is a sport or not also has no bearing on the topic at hand. It's a game between two people and most people on chess.com at least do go into games with the expectation they're being matched with someone of similar skill level, which is blatantly not the case in these scenarios.

If you want to argue you can learn from Hikaru that's absolutely fine but have him use his real account and have a way for people to sign up for that. The regular mechanism we have for match making is not appropriate as it comes with that expectation of a "match of similar skill". To make my point, it's actually against the rules if you do rating manipulation. Try trashing your rating and then smash it back consistently and you'll find that you'll get a warning ... unless you're a GM

I personally report anyone who's just recently dropped 200+ in rating and is suddenly just destroying me at my rating. Having a GM play me at 1000/1200 rating would be a instant report as it's not a game I signed up for.

You have to understand not everyone thinks like you. Like B1Z said, you might think “this isn’t what I signed up for” while others will see an opportunity. You know what people call it when two people think two different things and neither thing is right nor wrong? AN OPINION OMFG

This thread has been hijacked by a troll who prefers accusing others to avoid the truth of the rubbish he strews on every chessboard he sees.

Even when someone agrees with his critique of speedruns, he attacks them. He should be removed from the site for violating the TOS.

https://www.chess.com/legal/user-agreement

1. Are you most people? As you’ve said before, you’ve met a grand total of 0 people irl that are interested in chess, so you can’t say your thought belong to “most people.” In fact, this thread probably disproves that because most people are against your statement.

2. Link...? I’m interested to see this.

I think the measurable impact on the rating pool must require very fine instruments. Millions of games are played every day. There are not millions of GMs going on speedruns.

I can see why some players object to the practice, especially when it feels that stronger players seem to be mocking them.

Nonetheless, it can be instructive to have a strong chess player comment on the moves of a player who might be struggling to remember how the horsie moves.

I didn't even know the term speedrun before reading this entire thread yesterday. I rarely watch streamers. Someone put me onto a video of Nakamura allegedly promoting the practice. It was instructive and in the end Nakamura said his opponent, "actually played pretty well for a 400".

"No one is learning".
Speak for yourself.

I watched a GM beat some weaker players (1500-2100) with the Halloween Gambit. I' never played it before. After watching the video, this:

I'd say I learned something, but that I still have plenty more to learn.

“Noone is learning a dam thing from being slummed on by some super gm in their match. LIterally nothing. ZILCH. Disingenuous to try and imply otherwise”

As I’ve said, stop using your own opinions and forcing them onto other people, and taking them as facts. People ARE learning. You can’t prove people aren’t, and the post from Ziryab, plus a number of other members in this forum pretty much says it all. You can’t say “no one is learning.” Maybe you’re not learning, because you’re too stubborn and ignorant to see that people can learn from it, and instead want to sit down and do nothing to even attempt to see if you can learn, but people are learning from it.

It wasn't a speedrun and the players all challenged a titled player. Once again, read what I write and leave your assumptions out. Your misreading is severe.

The comparison to speedruns had to do with the instructive value. I've already addressed the ethics of the practice earlier in this thread.

Nice copy and paste buddy. You act like one match that will take 5 minutes is going to physically hurt the player that is getting “scammed”. It ain’t that serious, and they could learn. What “slumming” are you talking about??? It’s not like they’re getting hit in the head with a hammer, they’re playing a game they could possibly learn from, and even if they don’t learn, it takes 5 minutes to play the match and they get their rating points refunded.

Idk

That is the streamers fault...how? They don’t encourage speedrunning and alt accounts, and while yes, chess.com could be more warning and wary about not creating alt accounts and not speedrunning, it is the member’s fault for doing it without permission. The very 2nd post in this forum is a post showing a member getting banned for speedrunning too much.

When people disagree with you, they are not ignoring what you said. They are explaining why they are unconvinced. If you want to convince them, become more persuasive. 

Playing in rapid arena as I do, I run into a lot of players whose play is far above what might be expected from their rating. In fact, 3-4% of my opponents get banned.

How many of those posers were on a speedrun? I have no idea. If anyone has seen any of my games on video, please let me know. Send the link. Maybe I can learn something.

Just because someone does something doesn’t mean it’s acceptable. Alt accounts are not allowed, and that kid who taunted you is breaking the rules. 

If someone robs a bank, you can’t say “that’s how acceptable it is.” It isn’t acceptable, that someone is just a bad person. Your logic is failing.

So maybe that was a bad analogy, I was just trying to get my point across. No one condones alt accounts unless issued and allowed by chess.com. Go on the forums and ask this and I guarantee you, you will find nothing lmao.

Also, the streamers are not trying to lead by example, they are trying to make content??? Just because one person does it, doesn’t mean everyone else can do it. They are allowed, chess.com said they could, so they do. A person of high stature is invited to a party, and only that person. Everyone else doesn’t just get to go to that party because one person is going. They’re going because of their high stature/invitation, and speedrunners are speedrunning because they were given permission. I hope this analogy is better lol 

Also, the bank robber analogy was bad because it implies some people are allowed to rob a bank while others are not. Not true, bad analogy, sorry.