Why are speedruns even allowed?

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CooloutAC wrote:
 

Tell me again that its crazy to think a super gm would ever play a rated 400 player. 

 

You showed that Hikaru has. I have not repeated the claim that he has not.

I am not immune to evidence. Rather, my opinions are grounded in them. When I say something that was a guess, and then is shown to be wrong, I modify my views.

You should try it. That is, try to bring your views into line with evidence.

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CooloutAC wrote:
n0time4chess wrote:

I never asked you to prove that people talk openly about anything in the forums. Either you're lying on purpose in order to deflect or you can't keep track of what's being discussed here. 

 

 

Well then in the spirit of "not deflecting" from the topic of this thread.   Lets remember that speedruns are dishonest, lose respect for the site,  and breed all forms of dishonestly within the community.    Whether you asked me to or not,  I've shown how prevalent alt accounts are in the community regardless,  to the point they are openly talked about and not seen as wrong by those who have them.  Similar to twitch streamers and their subscribers.   Similar to how you feel there is nothing wrong with speedruns.   Or how people admit they are wrong,  but supiciously want to debate their severity.  Which again,  I think is dishonest in itself.  Because their severity is irrelevant to whether they should be allowed no matter how many people they directly affect, especially when considering paying subscribers.

You realise you just admitted to misleading and lying, whether you do it on purpose or simply because you lost yourself in the barrage of nonsense you're producing, yea?

First, you claim I asked something of you, and that you answered and proved me wrong and then when you have zero evidence to show for it when challenged, you just change the subject. At least up until now, I would have (yes would HAVE, not would OF😂) given you some benefit of the doubts regarding the honesty of your holier than thou misconstrued beliefs, but even that's gone now. All you care about is propagating your agenda based on your personal feelings, unsubstantiated opinions and (probably mostly) hurt ego and don't hesitate to use deceptive and manipulative techniques to "prove" your point, whether on purpose or out of ignorance. Shame on you😂 

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CooloutAC wrote:
kracker12345 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
kracker12345 wrote:

You're assuming people don't get their rating points back. They do. And you don't have proof because speedrunners aren't going to lose so many games just to go down to 400. 

What does that have to do with  "allowing people to undermine the competitive matches most of us are here and subscribed for"    Thats absolutely irrelevant.  The fact you focus on that though is what these speedrunners have taught you.  You are exposing and confirming the fact,  rating manipulation is what its  really teaching.

I don't watch any chess streamers or youtubers. It has to do with the evidence that you're not supplying.

Pretty sure chess.com partners up with these streamers and lets them do speedruns because a whole lot of people do bud.  Asking me to prove it makes you look ignorant to those facts.  

Incorrigible. I am asking you to prove those facts that a whole lot of people do speedruns.

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I am fairly confident I will never play a speed runner. But who knows, maybe once in the next 1000 games I might.
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Ubik42 wrote:
I am fairly confident I will never play a speed runner. But who knows, maybe once in the next 1000 games I might.

 

I've played a fair number of cheats and I'm certain quite a few sandbaggers. Speed runners? Almost certainly not. The few opponents who have played at GM strength have either been GMs or were nefarious cheats who were banned after we played, sometimes less than an hour after we played. I report suspicious players. Action gets taken in many cases. The rest are either clever cheats, or my poor performance led to ungrounded suspicions. The last of these scenarios have been by far the most common and happily I usually check my suspicions with analysis before I report.

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This thread still going?

I tell you what speed runners do annoy me - when I was younger I used to play tennis quite well, and then I went to uni and joined the tennis club there and lost just about every match - damn tennis pros speed running tennis: SO ANNOYING.

After studying,  I joined the world of work, but I still occasionally collaborated and looked to publish in scientific and cross disciplinary journals, but none of my studies  were accepted for publication - damn people speed running molecular biology; why is it even allowed?

Myself, I am perfect and completely without fault, and if it were not for the speed runners you'd all be able to see that. I am such a victim, please feel sorry for me - give me comfort so I never have to work hard, or think of improving.

 

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You are beating a dead horse with a broken stick.

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Ziryab wrote:

You are beating a dead horse with a broken stick.

I once engaged in an online conversation with a climate change denier and it followed exactly the same pattern. In the end, when confronted with a very obvious blunder, the guy too stopped listening completely and diverted into the same sort of gibberish, repeating himself to no end. Behaviour too common for certain types of personality disorders. 

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CooloutAC wrote:

 

again this is all irrelevant regardless because even if it only affected one single subscriber,  it's dishonest, corrupt and should not be allowed.

And the most important one single subscriber being you of course😂

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CooloutAC wrote:
n0time4chess wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

You are beating a dead horse with a broken stick.

I once engaged in an online conversation with a climate change denier and it followed exactly the same pattern. In the end, when confronted with a very obvious blunder, the guy too stopped listening completely and diverted into the same sort of gibberish, repeating himself to no end. Behaviour too common for certain types of personality disorders. 

Yes.  When asking me to prove that alt accounts are prevalent and openly talked about on the forums,   and when I link a you thread for the same day showing as much,  would mean you should follow your own advice.    Even crazy ziryab had to admit super gm's will play rated 400 players after the Hikaru video.

Still the same garbage talk, I never asked you to prove that alt accounts are prevalent and openly talked about. It would be easier to talk to a donkey. 

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CooloutAC wrote:
n0time4chess wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
n0time4chess wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

You are beating a dead horse with a broken stick.

I once engaged in an online conversation with a climate change denier and it followed exactly the same pattern. In the end, when confronted with a very obvious blunder, the guy too stopped listening completely and diverted into the same sort of gibberish, repeating himself to no end. Behaviour too common for certain types of personality disorders. 

Yes.  When asking me to prove that alt accounts are prevalent and openly talked about on the forums,   and when I link a you thread for the same day showing as much,  would mean you should follow your own advice.    Even crazy ziryab had to admit super gm's will play rated 400 players after the Hikaru video.

Still the same garbage talk, I never asked you to prove that alt accounts are prevalent and openly talked about. It would be easier to talk to a donkey. 

Everyone who reads through this thread will know otherwise.  Calling me a donkey doesn't help you.  It just exposes the type of poor sportsmanship and behavior that speed runs encourage.  You are the type of person to come in here and defend them.

I don't speak for him but I don't see any defending here. All I see is him pointing out that you just repeat what you already said when the person is saying something else.

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Speedruns ruin the experience. Who cares if the points get refunded its bad morale and unfair to the unexpecting player.  

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CooloutAC wrote:
kracker12345 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
n0time4chess wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
n0time4chess wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

You are beating a dead horse with a broken stick.

I once engaged in an online conversation with a climate change denier and it followed exactly the same pattern. In the end, when confronted with a very obvious blunder, the guy too stopped listening completely and diverted into the same sort of gibberish, repeating himself to no end. Behaviour too common for certain types of personality disorders. 

Yes.  When asking me to prove that alt accounts are prevalent and openly talked about on the forums,   and when I link a you thread for the same day showing as much,  would mean you should follow your own advice.    Even crazy ziryab had to admit super gm's will play rated 400 players after the Hikaru video.

Still the same garbage talk, I never asked you to prove that alt accounts are prevalent and openly talked about. It would be easier to talk to a donkey. 

Everyone who reads through this thread will know otherwise.  Calling me a donkey doesn't help you.  It just exposes the type of poor sportsmanship and behavior that speed runs encourage.  You are the type of person to come in here and defend them.

I don't speak for him but I don't see any defending here. All I see is him pointing out that you just repeat what you already said when the person is saying something else.

If they are not defending them,  then i will repeat again,   why bother posting to argue against me for denouncing them?   Why try to argue they are not bad for the community?  They are absolutely defending them.  And its shameful.  Its shameful the site even allows it.   I've asked for a refund now hopefully I get it and you won't have to worry about me promoting chess or fair play anymore.   Let it die.   Let the streamers playing blitz overrun fide.  lol   The new analysis is the icing on the cake for me.   The whole site is a facade.  Between the fake community,  the fake mmr and now with the fake analysis I'm done with this corrupted cesspool.

Congratulations, you have become the new model troll. Between your awful grammar, conspiracy theories, activity, and rudeness overall, you have become Chess.com's top troll. People like you give the forums a bad name.  The speedrunners aren't the problem here, you are. You've accomplished absolutely nothing. Nobody is impressed by your ranting, and you've only made enemies.

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Ziryab wrote:
krazeechess wrote:

ok so after all that speedrun debating what is the final stance

 

Chess streamers should be required to submit to a human subjects review board before they do a speedrun.

 

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Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
m_3_h wrote:



[snip] see above

Yes,   we should focus on what you are suggesting.  I've even suggested as much to a forum mod who wanted to mute me,  who said he would pass the suggestion along to chess.com.   They really should allow people to volunteer into a pool to play against the GM streamer.  Which would be better then going anonymously into the community of people queuing for competitive matches.    Chess.com could even make it only an option and privilege for subscribers only as a selling point.  

 

This is reasonable. And using the mechanism to suggest site improvements in the proper way to go about it.

I’ll add my support to the view that speedruns should be against willing participants.

 

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CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
kracker12345 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
n0time4chess wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
n0time4chess wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

You are beating a dead horse with a broken stick.

I once engaged in an online conversation with a climate change denier and it followed exactly the same pattern. In the end, when confronted with a very obvious blunder, the guy too stopped listening completely and diverted into the same sort of gibberish, repeating himself to no end. Behaviour too common for certain types of personality disorders. 

Yes.  When asking me to prove that alt accounts are prevalent and openly talked about on the forums,   and when I link a you thread for the same day showing as much,  would mean you should follow your own advice.    Even crazy ziryab had to admit super gm's will play rated 400 players after the Hikaru video.

Still the same garbage talk, I never asked you to prove that alt accounts are prevalent and openly talked about. It would be easier to talk to a donkey. 

Everyone who reads through this thread will know otherwise.  Calling me a donkey doesn't help you.  It just exposes the type of poor sportsmanship and behavior that speed runs encourage.  You are the type of person to come in here and defend them.

I don't speak for him but I don't see any defending here. All I see is him pointing out that you just repeat what you already said when the person is saying something else.

If they are not defending them,  then i will repeat again,   why bother posting to argue against me for denouncing them?   Why try to argue they are not bad for the community?  They are absolutely defending them.  And its shameful.  Its shameful the site even allows it.   I've asked for a refund now hopefully I get it and you won't have to worry about me promoting chess or fair play anymore.   Let it die.   Let the streamers playing blitz overrun fide.  lol   The new analysis is the icing on the cake for me.   The whole site is a facade.  Between the fake community,  the fake mmr and now with the fake analysis I'm done with this corrupted cesspool.

Congratulations, you have become the new model troll. Between your awful grammar, conspiracy theories, activity, and rudeness overall, you have become Chess.com's top troll. People like you give the forums a bad name.  The speedrunners aren't the problem here, you are. You've accomplished absolutely nothing. Nobody is impressed by your ranting, and you've only made enemies.

Speedrunners aren't a problem.  We know thats how  most of you feel.  More people defending them then speaking against them I realize.  Guy above me will try to claim you aren't defending them,  though.   And if this is you "not" defending them,  then it must mean "you" are the troll.  But   Ignore all the points I made, lets just assume you disagree with them.   Very sporting community here.  Very honest and legit.   The site seems very trustworthy lol.

Leave then.

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This is a huge failure of chess.com. They could add an option to your account for “want to play streamers”. It would be an opt-in model. That way you never lose any points and know what is happening. If someone wants to opt-in, maybe they get to play against a GM. That would be so much better than the current implementation.
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Well, as long as the people get their points refunded, then it’s fine. Because, if they lose against a GM, they will learn tactics and mistakes better then if they looked at an analysis. The GM will surely capitalize on any mistakes, and teach the players new strategies. However, it would be better if speed-running player’s opponents did not lose rating. I wish that could happen. It would make this a dead issue and hopefully end this controversy.
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The way I have learned chess was from no book, but from my loses. My opponent would capitalize on a mistake I didn’t know I made, and I would use it on someone else.
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I would compare it more to throwing a NBA player into a practice and having him show kids how to play by demonstrating. We do it all the time. It’s called coaching.