Why Can't I Uncastle a Castle ?

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The_Ghostess_Lola

And yes. The 1862 BCA rule impact was extremely significant.

The_Ghostess_Lola

They say that Jacobus de Cessolis from Italy came up w/ the concept & foundation for the 2-step doh-see-doh for today's modern day King move when castling. The King could go from e1 to g1/h1 where the Rook went from h1 to f1/e1. IOW's, there was a choice for both pieces. This "free castling" they called it, held up in Italy until the mid-1800's but France had made their own rules by then (which reflect today's castling movement) in the mid-1700's or about 100 years earlier. I guess news travelled slow back then along w/ how the Italians have a history of desperately clinging to tradition like jengy and his BFF Dark Army.

It was all about trying to enrich the game. But looking back ?....I think western Europe actually dulled it by not allowing uncastling. So. Maybe now 100+ years later ?....we change that rule. Or at least leave it to the players to decide if their game should be governed by it. Kinda like how McDonald's introduced the Apple Pie way back when. They let it be tried at lower levels and watched it gain popular traction.

They say when when the piece movement rules got consolidated a long time ago, they allowed the queen, rook, & bishop to go full range instead of two or three hops. This made the fighting ability of the King mirror a fat old sweaty stinkpot w/ a turkey leg in one hand and a mistress's thigh in the other.

So it had to be tucked away w/ a double move (as it trembled like a hairless chihuahua) behind some sacrificial foot soldiers & a fresh war-promoted Rook. Also, it complemented the other now-happy long-range pieces as they could quickly enter the foray w/out that useless fata$$ in the way.

The_Ghostess_Lola

I have one thing to say to Mr. Andrew Carnegie....

....bok bok.

cnj513

WOW!... Thirty pages and going strong!phpg1scuH.jpeg

Ghostess, you are AWESOME!!

Your siren's song is irresistible!

cnj513
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I have one thing to say to Mr. Andrew Carnegie....

....bok bok.

Indeed. Carnegie was a Robber Baron who crushed and murdered ordinary working Americans using heavily armed private goon squads.

It was a guilty conscience that drove him to philanthropy.

He now occupies a lavishly appointed room... in Hell.

The_Ghostess_Lola

They say he lived it up here tho'....for what it's worth.

JonWB81

I must apologize to you Ghostess; your legs are irresistible and I cannot stop looking at them.

The_Ghostess_Lola

omg....

JonWB81

I have no plans of undoing that move.  wink.png

orenzmendoza

Castling

Castling Maneuver Diagram
Castle Maneuver Diagram

Castling is a special defensive maneuver. It is the only time in the game when more than one piece may be moved during a turn. This move was invented in the 1500s to help speed up the game and to help balance the offense and defense.

The castling move has some fairly rigid restrictions:

  1. It can only occur if there are no pieces standing between the king and the rook.
  2. Neither king nor the rook to be castled with may have moved from its original position. (The other rook may have already moved.)
  3. There can be no opposing piece that could possibly capture the king in his original square, the square he moves through or the square that he ends the turn.

The king moves two squares toward the rook he intends to castle with (this may be either rook). The rook then moves to the square through which the king passed. Hopefully, the diagram to the left makes this clear. If the king castles queen-side the rook must move three squares. However on the king-side the rook only moves two squares.

Strategy Note: Castling is a great aid in defensive strategy. It also has a tendency to bring a powerful rook into play when under normal circumstances it might be stuck behind a wall of pawns.

UnbridledOne

She's not trying to save the world here p2tp. Just her king, and it's a fake one on a game board with rules. Commitment isn't always the best strategy, though may have been in the original thought process of designing the game. The woman wants the right to reverse a pivotal decision to castle on the chess board at a later time in the game if neither piece has moved since the castle. Personally I don't think many scenerios would require it, but it's not a bad option to have in a deadly sitchi ayshon ;) I could argue if she never moved either rook after castling to the right, that if she cleared the way for her king to make it over to the other side, she should be allowed to castle again to the left.  Surprised

The_Ghostess_Lola
UnbridledOne wrote:

She's not trying to save the world here p2tp. Just her king, and it's a fake one on a game board with rules. Commitment isn't always the best strategy, though may have been in the original thought process of designing the game. The woman wants the right to reverse a pivotal decision to castle on the chess board at a later time in the game if neither piece has moved since the castle. Personally I don't think many scenerios would require it, but it's not a bad option to have in a deadly sitchi ayshon ;) I could argue if she never moved either rook after castling to the right, that if she cleared the way for her king to make it over to the other side, she should be allowed to castle again to the left.  

This is exactly how I feel. So TY UB-1 Smile . And your last sentence is right. I think castling once & once only is fine & should remain in the rules. Usually, attacks are incubated from one side of the board or the other. 

The_Ghostess_Lola

....compromising ?

UnbridledOne

I just read that chess players are one of the largest groups in the world. It's estimated that 600 million people play it. If Lola can pull this rule change off it will be epic!  The "un-castle" move could even be given it's own name, something like "Ghosting", Symbolizing her un-castling move as "now ya see it, now ya don't"  Surprised   

UnbridledOne

Jeng, you don't need to be insulting to participate here. There is no reason for it. P2tp has made some valid points pertaining to chess in his own special way. You can choose to respond without the insults and make your point or just ignore what he said and respond to the next person's post. This happens to be one of the nicer light hearted threads out here and should remain that way. Do you get that?    

UnbridledOne
jengaias wrote:
UnbridledOne wrote:

I just read that chess players are one of the largest groups in the world. It's estimated that 600 million people play it. If Lola can pull this rule change off it will be epic!  The "un-castle" move could even be given it's own name, something like "Ghosting", Symbolizing her un-castling move as "now ya see it, now ya don't"     

Lol , 

Here the king , there the king , where is the king?

I like her idea, Lola could become famous if this uncastle thing of hers can get some wings ;)  Fly baby fly...

UnbridledOne

you're welcome Wink  

The_Ghostess_Lola

I will be filing a petition to repeal the implied consensus of illegality regarding the uncoupling of the castle move. Implied being a very-very important word here.

I do not want the rules rewritten & clarified as to you can't....I want them changed to that in which you can !

I am in the process of building a backyard case as we speak....& it's gonna be a doozie.

Watch wait & see. I intend to fly to Athens to look at some very old stones & then expect a private meeting w/ 'you know who' to present & review my overturning chances....& then we'll take it from there.

My resolve will be clearly understood within the first 5 minutes of our meet & greet....this much I guarantee. (eyes squinting no blinking lips taut teeth gritting)

And something else. I have no desire to speak with anyone over there who cannot make a decision. And if that means going to the very tippytop ?....then so be it !

UnbridledOne

Be nice when you go. You'll be representing 8 or 10 people here. lol 

The_Ghostess_Lola

Baby steps UB-1....baby steps.