Well…that’s just sad and depressing. I never really saw this side of chess.
Why did Bobby Fischer Quit Chess
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The Soviets would not, under any circumstances, make the same mistake twice. The proof of this is that Spassky was heavily penalized after he returned home after the defeat he suffered to Fischer in 1972 (all of which contributed to him defecting to France later in his life). The state took away many of his freedoms, gave him a smaller apartment, limited his salary, and enforced surveillance on him, among other things designed to punish him for losing. The bureaucracy and chess elites at the top of the Soviet empire started saying that Spassky was lazy and unmotivated and that was the reason he lost, so they took a very "hands on" approach to training Karpov to win, at all costs.
Part of Fischer problem's was that the American chess system at the time lacked many resources and wasn't so sophisticated or prepared to give him much help, and part of it was that Fischer's personality ensured that he was unwilling to accept any help. Fischer was notorious for turning down all trainers and seconds and, when he was forced to hire other grandmasters or experts, he only made them play tennis or go bowling with him. He wanted to make sure that nobody else would be involved in his chess games.
Brianchesscake, yeah I had said 1974 specifically instead of 1975, because in fact Fischer had already quit playing before the Karpov match was even a thing.
Whatever you might want to say about Karpov and whether he was afraid or not, in fact he had already stopped playing by then. So yeah before Karpov you could have asked “why did you quit playing chess”, because 3 years without a game when you are at the top is unheard of in modern chess.
Lasker did that kind of thing, but top level chess was not as intense, and he had WWI to contend with.
Whatever you might want to say about Karpov and whether he was afraid or not, in fact he had already stopped playing by then. So yeah before Karpov you could have asked “why did you quit playing chess”, because 3 years without a game when you are at the top is unheard of in modern chess.
Lasker did that kind of thing, but top level chess was not as intense, and he had WWI to contend with.
I hate btickler
If talaga is anything like btickler. I’ll try to veer away from them.
Hey December29 by “patriots” are you referring to the people who tried to overturn an election because yeah they aren’t patriots sorry. They hate democracy.
if there’s people cheating at an election, it isn’t the president who did it themselves, but the choice of the majority.
How did the accusations of cheating hold up in court?
Oh also how did that AZ audit hold up? Do you think you could check on the results of that and also of the 60 court cases?
I’ll wait right here!
I’ll wait right here!
Is “The court is part of the establishment” another way of saying “We had zero evidence”?
Wait wait….you got a point…
What is funny is before the election everyone knew Biden was ahead in all the polls, winning was no shock. But after the election there were the lies from crybaby, and the zombies believing the lies….what a spectacle lol.
Critical thought is dead.
Critical thought is dead.
It’s just two sides trying to stop each other from doing their jobs
Oct 9, 2021
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#195
He took one look at Karpov. And scampered away, with his tail between his legs
Oct 9, 2021
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#196
varelse1 wrote:
He took one look at Karpov. And scampered away, with his tail between his legs
Bobby Fischer
was a wizard.
Vivisected
Spassky's gizzard
Won the title,
then went bonkers.
Fish skedaddled,
Karpov conquers.
Oct 9, 2021
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#197
December_TwentyNine wrote:
The court is part of The Establishment hun. They are all working together.
I hang with a bunch of hippies
And wacky tobacco planters
Who swallow lit roaches
And light up like jack-o-lanterns
Outsiders baby, and we suing the courts
'Cause we're dope as **** and only get a two in the source
Oct 9, 2021
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#198
December_TwentyNine wrote:
The President is only a puppet working for the puppet masters - he's one of many, many, many people installed by The Establishment.
This is what they mean by "The Swamp is deep, far and wide"
(The Swamp is another name for The Establishment)
Like who in the world gon' tell Donald Sterl who to put on the "you can't come" list?
blueemu wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
He took one look at Karpov. And scampered away, with his tail between his legs
Bobby Fischer
was a wizard.
Vivisected
Spassky's gizzard
Won the title,
then went bonkers.
Fish skedaddled,
Karpov conquers.
There’s nothing Fischer couldn’t teach you ’bout the dodging of a match
Reality and him were completely unattached
He had not played serious competitive chess in 2-3 years so it was expected he would not play in the world championship. I think he realized that since he was the only non-Soviet (and American) to topple the communistic empire thru chess, he would have a big red target on his back with lots of people interested in researching every detail of his life probing for any weaknesses that would enable the Soviets to reclaim the crown. It is not surprising that he became so paranoid so soon in his life, as the kind of pressure he was under would make even perfectly mentally healthy people become totally insane.
What's important to note is that Karpov was being trained constantly prior to 1975 to be the sole hero to bring glory back to Soviet chess, and Fischer knew this and decided to not subject himself to that torture. Considering how some of Karpov's later matches went (with plenty of dirty tricks and political manipulation happening against Korchnoi and Kasparov), Fischer's fears were justified. Karpov actually beat Spassky in their candidates match in 1974 by a larger margin than Fischer had done in the 1972 match, so Karpov was definitely playing at a spectacular level.
I have nothing against Karprov personally and everyone who has met him says he is a gentleman but, make no mistake, back in the 70s he was being used as a puppet by the bureaucrats since they saw him as a "model citizen". The Soviets (who saw chess as a propaganda tool) were prepared to do anything possible to beat Fischer in 1975, whether it be on- or off- the board.