Why did Bobby Fischer Quit Chess

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JFSebastianKnight

Fischer's issues were essentially against the governing body of international chess. He 'quit' chess because of politics (both chess politics and general politics) and its interferences in the game.

His talent is beyond doubt. 

batgirl
fabelhaft wrote:

All players are underestimated by some and overestimated by some. It can be connected to flag waving or nostalgia or personal taste, but there will never be any total consensus on who the greatest players are. The GMs at chess24 ranked the top players as 1.Kasparov 2.Carlsen 3.Fischer 4.Lasker 5.Alekhine 6.Karpov 7.Capablanca. I think they underestimated Lasker and Karpov a little, but it’s a reasonable top seven even if most would change the order a bit based on personal preference.

Of course.  All people have prejudices and preferences and some even have agendas.

I, personally, find that the focus on the concept of WC drowns out other aspects of the game that to me are far more important.  And the concept of WC isn't even necessarily what it seems it should be. The WC may or may not be the strongest player at that time as there's luck and contrivance that often plays as big a role in determining winning or retaining the title.  Trying to guess the 'best of all time' using objective means such as computer analysis is pointless because it always favors the later players through no fault of the earlier players and underestimates the sporting aspect of the game. Guessing by using results is equally deficient since the competition is just as different, dependent upon the times.   So it's all a game designed to produce arguments rather than conclusions.    
I'd rather just appreciate each era and each player for what they contributed to the game (this has been the essence of my writing during the last quarter of a century).  At the same time, I value honesty and integrity in examining these things and try, hopefully with a modicum of success, in maintaining those ideals myself.  

almetz

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batgirl
almetz wrote:

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Well that settles the issue of why Fischer quit chess.

Contenchess

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mpaetz

     If Fischer was going to defend his title he wouldn't have stopped playing for three years. He got the world championship that he had been proclaiming he deserved for more than ten years, felt he had proved that he had been right about everything all along, and wasn't about to risk his reputation and his own self-image as the greatest ever no matter how slim the chances that he might be defeated. 

     All the demands and negotiations were just a sham to give him a excuse to quit "because the Soviets were mistreating him" and rigging the whole system, as they always did.

llama47
mpaetz wrote:

he wasn't about to risk his reputation and his own self-image as the greatest ever no matter how slim the chances that he might be defeated.

Something isn't true just because it sounds plausible... and this sort of reasoning lacks even the acoustics of truth when you realize Fischer quit in the 60s, almost quit before the match, and almost quit during the match. Why invoke self-image to explain why he quit after the match?

 

mpaetz wrote:

All the demands and negotiations were just a sham

Except, again, he'd been doing this his whole career.

DefenderPug2
llama47 wrote:
mpaetz wrote:

he wasn't about to risk his reputation and his own self-image as the greatest ever no matter how slim the chances that he might be defeated.

Something isn't true just because it sounds plausible... and this sort of reasoning lacks even the acoustics of truth when you realize Fischer quit in the 60s, almost quit before the match, and almost quit during the match. Why invoke self-image to explain why he quit after the match?

Llama, you have impeccable reasoning.

llama47
DefenderPug2 wrote:
llama47 wrote:
mpaetz wrote:

he wasn't about to risk his reputation and his own self-image as the greatest ever no matter how slim the chances that he might be defeated.

Something isn't true just because it sounds plausible... and this sort of reasoning lacks even the acoustics of truth when you realize Fischer quit in the 60s, almost quit before the match, and almost quit during the match. Why invoke self-image to explain why he quit after the match?

Llama, you have impeccable reasoning.

Thanks, but sometimes it's having poor opponents that makes someone seem good wink.png

DefenderPug2

No matter the opponent. You can see the players skill. Just because he won the argument or match, doesn’t mean he is skilled himself.

DefenderPug2

It is how you play it out.

batgirl
llama47 wrote:
mpaetz wrote:

he wasn't about to risk his reputation and his own self-image as the greatest ever no matter how slim the chances that he might be defeated.

Something isn't true just because it sounds plausible... and this sort of reasoning lacks even the acoustics of truth when you realize Fischer quit in the 60s, almost quit before the match, and almost quit during the match. Why invoke self-image to explain why he quit after the match?

 

mpaetz wrote:

All the demands and negotiations were just a sham

Except, again, he'd been doing this his whole career.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

I don't care one iota if someone believes Fischer "chickened out" or was trying to save face.... who knows, maybe both are true.  What I don't like are pat explanations, black & white answers to complex questions or the assuredness that only comes from either ignorance or bind beliefs.

People don't have to delve into the complexities of such issues - indeed, it's a time consuming, ungratifying task - but not doing the homework also makes one's opinion relatively worthless...i.e. just regurgitation.  Any opinion based on hearsay or gut feeling really isn't worth expressing (IMO).

Contenchess

He ran away!! 😡

Contenchess

Jk

fabelhaft

My guess is that it didn’t have anything at all to do with FIDE or Karpov or things like that. Fischer had said that he would be a very active World Champion, he would play lots of tournaments etc. And then, as soon as he had won the title, he instead just quit. Year after year passed without him playing, and he was gradually getting more troubled and less interested in playing. He had many tournament and match offers, but it was always something that made it impossible to play. Maybe he didn’t know himself why it just never felt right. The list of things that had to be perfect for him to play just grew too long.

batgirl

Joking is good.  It reminds us that the seriousness of such things is only that which we ascribe to it.

DefenderPug2

I love comedic value

batgirl
fabelhaft wrote:

My guess is that it didn’t have anything at all to do with FIDE or Karpov or things like that. Fischer had said that he would be a very active World Champion, he would play lots of tournaments etc. And then, as soon as he had won the title, he instead just quit. Year after year passed without him playing, and he was gradually getting more troubled and less interested in playing. He had many tournament and match offers, but it was always something that made it impossible to play. Maybe he didn’t know himself why it just never felt right. The list of things that had to be perfect for him to play just grew too long.

Would you say be became, ironically, what Churchill described the USSR to be:  a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma?

goldenbeer

Discussion about Fischer is pointless, some can evaluate him logically but there are people who are in love with him, or who like to imagine him a great(est) player for whatever reason, the latter group will praise him for no logical reason and it is not possible to change their opinion by logical reasoning. This is the reason that logical discussion about controversial people like Fischer does not help anyone (also suppose we truly discovered why an idiot quit the competitive chess, then what?) But @batgirl, staying in the middle is not something worth celebration. That's the attitude of most people, those who walk on the edge are the ones changing the world.

JFSebastianKnight

What I find distasteful is people calling Fischer an idiot.

Was Kissinger out of his mind when he phoned up an idiot, begging the idiot to play on behalf of all Naciremas?