why did bobby Fischer quit chess?

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Tychooju12 wrote:

If you start throwing stones at people you shouldn't be surprised that they respond with same action.

You didn't even understand my comment so who's pathetic?

How am I supposed to give logical arguments for a discussion with someone whose only argument is "Fisher was the greatest because he was the greatest"

And now you offend my mother. That's pathetic.

lol no i wasnt "throwing stones" you said,

"And I assume that all those who praise him as a GOAT are at least 2000 FIDE and analysed at least one or two of his games.

Otherwise why would they know that?"

and i replied how can any be the greatest of all time from two games, and that you dont need to be an expert from a particular field to understand that someone is the best at it.

"You didn't even understand my comment so who's pathetic?"

- yes i understood your comment. it is you who does not understand. I commented and replied how ill formed it was then you said to my reply, "Just don't wet your bed in the night. Your mom will be angry." , so yes it is most definitely you that is pathetic.

"How am I supposed to give logical arguments for a discussion with someone whose only argument is "Fisher was the greatest because he was the greatest""

-logical arguments are given by strong reasons, not by fallacious and ridiculous insults . it is your problem how to give a logical argument not mine. And I never said "Fischer was the great because he was the greatest", im not sure you know how to use quotations, i said, "your not the greatest of all time because of one or two games, your the greatest of all time because your better than everybody else." this is an obvious fact because 1. he had an over 100 elo point lead than everybody else almost 2900 2. hes games to the road to the championships verses larsen, taimanov, petrosian 3. he had the best win rate compared to all of his contemporaries.

whats your argument? oh hes mentally ill and you wet the bed. fantastic! you are pathetic.

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universityofpawns wrote:

His basic problem was paranoia and it got worse as he got older.....he claimed things like: the audience was too close, the lights were too bright, his chair was bugged, the Jews were out to get him (even though he was part Jewish).....a real nut case, but great at chess.....until he quit due to his mental illness.

Sad, but true.

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If Fischer was as clear headed and rational as you seem to think he never would have been bamboozled out of most of his money by a second rate conan like Herbert W Armstrong.

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OmegaGrandMasterGWiz wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Fischer couldn't take the stress and the doubt. He wasn't well.

No, hear it from his mouth why he did not play karpov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS9n-8bmhV0&t=3484s play from 1:04:48

Well, I tried to find the bit where he explained "from his mouth" but I'm afraid one will have to listen to the whole drivelspeel to find it.

I did get three things from it. Firstly, how amazingly similar he is to Donald Trump, in personality. Secondly, he's without doubt crazy. Thirdly, he was very impolite to the interviewer and constantly interrupted him. I lost patience trying to find it, because I didn't want to hear any more the ramblings of such a silly person. So where is the Karpov explanation? That thing is about an hour and a half long!

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'Fischer had the right to play the match with Karpov on his own conditions' - Bronstein
'Was Fischer right in demanding that the world title be protected by a two point handicap – that the challenger would be considered the winner with a 10–8 score and that the champion would retain his title in the event of a 9–9 draw? Yes, this was quite natural: the champion deserves this, not to mention the fact that further play to the first win in the event of an even score would be nothing short of a lottery – the winner in that case could not claim to have won a convincing victory.' - Korchnoi

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I'm completely sure that Karpov was a stronger player than Fischer, btw. Fischer was excellent, of course. I would also place Karpov as slightly better than Kasparov. Kasparov and Fischer may have been equal to one-another.

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mpaetz wrote:

Dr. Reuben Fine, psychologist and world class player (who knew Bobby for years) predicted that if Fischer won the title in 1972 his fragile ego would cause him to never play again because he couldn't face the possibility that he wasn't the GOAT. It was Fischer's mental instability that caused him to quit. If FIDE had agreed to his demands he would have come up with some other reason that he was being treated unfairly and cancelled the 1975 match.

Completely agree here.

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tygxc wrote:

'Fischer had the right to play the match with Karpov on his own conditions' - Bronstein
'Was Fischer right in demanding that the world title be protected by a two point handicap – that the challenger would be considered the winner with a 10–8 score and that the champion would retain his title in the event of a 9–9 draw? Yes, this was quite natural: the champion deserves this, not to mention the fact that further play to the first win in the event of an even score would be nothing short of a lottery – the winner in that case could not claim to have won a convincing victory.' - Korchnoi

No, he didn't. His only "right" was by claiming one historical precedent and ignoring another. Bronstein was wrong there. I once met him (B). Should have asked him! happy.png

Korchnoi hated Karpov so his answer can be ignored. I agree that 9-9 isn't decisive and so the Champion retains the crown but what people didn't like was the ridiculous 10-8 stipulation. I remember at the time.

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Karpov himself in 2020 did not think he would have won.
https://en.chessbase.com/post/karpov-interview-tania-sachdev

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tygxc wrote:

Karpov himself in 2020 did not think he would have won.
https://en.chessbase.com/post/karpov-interview-tania-sachdev

He doesn't say that. He is saying that he would have had good chances to win but that he couldn't guarantee it. His leaders wanted a guarantee. You should probably read it again.

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But she's quite attractive so thanks.

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Fischer was still strong in 1992, after 20 inactive years.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1129672

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@131

"Fischer was mentally ill" ++ He was not.
The psychiatrist Magnús Skúlason who talked to Fischer in Iceland at the end of his life said:
'He definitely was not schizophrenic. He had problems, possibly certain childhood traumas that had affected him. He was misunderstood. Underneath I think he was a caring sensitive person.'

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Optimissed wrote:
OmegaGrandMasterGWiz wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Fischer couldn't take the stress and the doubt. He wasn't well.

No, hear it from his mouth why he did not play karpov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS9n-8bmhV0&t=3484s play from 1:04:48

Well, I tried to find the bit where he explained "from his mouth" but I'm afraid one will have to listen to the whole drivelspeel to find it.

I did get three things from it. Firstly, how amazingly similar he is to Donald Trump, in personality. Secondly, he's without doubt crazy. Thirdly, he was very impolite to the interviewer and constantly interrupted him. I lost patience trying to find it, because I didn't want to hear any more the ramblings of such a silly person. So where is the Karpov explanation? That thing is about an hour and a half long!

on the very bottom of the video there is a line for the time on the video, you can skip the whole thing and go to the part where he talks about why he did not play against karpov, so open the video and using your mouse, hover on the bottom of the video, you will see time stamps and a preview where you are hovering, go to the time of 1:04:48 and left click.

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He quit at the top of his sport, game? Games sport? Anyway he was the best at that time and probably 3rd best of all time...

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Luke-Jaywalker wrote:

he was improving rapidly at the time, so we will never know what his rating could have been. no chess for 20 years and his rating only dropped 120 points.

Tiny drop for that long of a break.

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Maybe it is American culture. Morphy, Fine, Fischer all quit at the height of their careers.

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Reuben Fine didn't participate in the 1948 world' championship tournament because he didn't have time for all the preparation--he was in grad school becoming a licensed psychologist at the time.

Some people actually believe there are things in life more important than chess.

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edsbert wrote:

Bobby Fischer is the best friend of Asias very first Grand Master Filipino Eugene Torre, brother of my chess buddy and friend, Vic Torre of Quezon City. Eugene is my chess idol for a very long time and together with Bobby, introduced and propagated Fischer Random Chess. Bobby and Eugene are inseparable chess buddies for a very very long time. Bobby loved Eugene and his Filipino roots. Eugene and Bobby stayed together in Baguio City, Philippines for quite a while. They remained very close friends until the untimely demise of Bobby in Japan where he chose to stay with his Japanese wife. Si Bobby Fischer ay matalik na kaibigan ng kaunaunahang Grand Master ng Asia na si Pilipinong Eugene Torre, kapatid ng chess buddy at kaibigan kong si Vic Torre ng Quezon City. Si Eugene ang chess idol ko nang mahabang panahon at, kasama si Bobby, ay nagsimulag ipakilala at palaganapin ang Fischer Random Chess. Si Bobby at si Eugene ay hindi mapaghiwalay na chess buddies nang mahabangmahabang panahon. Minahal ni Bobby si Eugene at ang kanyang pinag ugatang lahing Pilipino. Si Eugene at si Bobby ay magkasamang nanirahan sa Baguio City, Philippines ng ilang panahon. Nanatili silang pinakamalapit na magkaibigan hanggang sa wala sa panahong pagpanaw ni Bobby sa Japan kung saan pinili niyang manirahan ng kanyang asawang Haponesa.

wow! thank you for sharing this! I have GM Torre's book he provided notes for, "Fisher Spassky". You should tell him to make a youtube video talking about the moments with bobby fischer and bring up and private games they played together!