Why didn't Fischer play Karpov

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mcris
alinfe wrote:

I guess in the absence of an absolute and objective comparison criteria, people always fill in the void with speculation. In the Fischer vs Karpov debate there's one extra variable: Fischer's strength after 1972. Nearly all top players have had longer careers, so pinpointing their peak year(s) isn't such a difficult task. We know when Karpov and Kasparov peaked (at least rating wise), we have seen them past their prime. In Fischer's case, all data we have is up to 1972, then a blip on the scale 20 years later, then nothing. So we will be forever wondering whether he would have started to fade in 1975, 1980, or 1972.

During a four-month period in 1981, Biyiasas played 17 five-minute games with Bobby Fischer, who was staying in his apartment at the time. Fischer, although he had been absent from competitive play for nine years, won all 17 games. Biyiasas said that he didn't think Fischer had lost anything in form, despite the layoff. (Wikipedia)

GM Biyiasas was Canadian champion in 1972 and 1975.

greenibex

I need a mentor like Fischer.  He is mature and has special knowledge. 

Rat1960

#136 GM Biyiasas was around 2450 at the time, so if Fischer was down to 2550 it would appear that Fischer was still full strength.

ipcress12

Rat: Not sure I get your point. But I'll side with Biylasas that if Fischer could beat a 2450 player in  17 five-minute games straight, Fischer was still in top form.

mcris

A bit off topic: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/trump-wants-putin-summit-in-reykjavik-rc909n9t0

fishyvishy

Fischer invented 4D chess and was busy playing that. Hence did not play Karpov as his flight was delayed.

ModestAndPolite
Zobral wrote:

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Of course he wanted more money but, above all, he was afraid of losing. 

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A prize fund of 5 million dollars had been offered. Money was not an issue. Fischer was insisting that the challenger had to win by two clear points and that a drawn match would allow the defender to keep his title.  FIDE disagreed.  That is why Fischer would not play.  Was he being unreasonable? Maybe. Maybe not.  

 

Maybe he had become mentally unstable.  Perhaps he had already begun to "hate" classical chess and was thinking of randomizing the starting position.  Karpov might have been a tougher opponent than Spassky but Fischer had no reason to fear him.  In 1975 at the age of 32 he had no reason to fear anyone. 

 

 

Anyone saying that Fischer was afraid of losing (or afraid of winning) is making it up.  It is a good story and it would explain events.  But where is the evidence for such a view?

greenibex

Fear leads to hatred which leads to jealousy which leads to personal suffering

mcris
 

You are confused

GM_chess_player

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mcris
stuzzicadenti wrote:

I think it's a quote of of the Jedi Master Yoda from Star Wars universe.

Yes, and laser sabers are real too.

public-image

it's quite easy, different size cartons can tell you the file, different flavours the piece, different times of delivery the destination square, think morse code, dit dit diddly diddly dit dat.

Observer1224

Just found this thread:

>The real question is, why didn't Fischer play competitive chess for twenty years, after he was annointed (sic) the 1972 FIDE world champion? <

He wasn't anointed. He won it. Bobby Fischer was a sick, sick man. He was 29 years old when he won the World Championship. Schizophrenia and other mental disorders often do not manifest until the victim is in his or her 20s, and it comes on over a period of time. One doesn't go to bed fine and wake up the next day as a paranoid schizophrenic.  Add to this his being raised by a woman as crazy as he was, and the larger question is not why didn't he do this or do that afterward? The question is how did he hold it together long enough to win the world championship?  We (i.e. Americans) all wanted him to try to hold on to his title, but in retrospect it isn't all that surprising that he did what he did. Pop psychology solutions to his actions are interesting, but they aren't to be taken too seriously as even the finest authorities in the field of psychology and psychiatry admit they do not fully understand some of these diseases. To my knowledge Fisher was never formally diagnosed as a result of a thorough examination. This amazingly talented man is to be pitied not scorned as a piece of propaganda. 

MickinMD
0110001101101000 wrote:

Fischer wasn't a fugitive until after the 90s Spassky match. The match where he became world champ was played in the 70s.

You are obviously too young to know the truth.  Fischer disappeared soon after the '72 match - few even knew where he was living as he dodged U.S. income taxes (the world's only major nation to tax its citizens on money earned outside the nation) throughout the 70's and 80's and early '90's until he came out of nowhere to play Spassky.

MickinMD

Fischer supposedly had problems with the format for the 1975 WC match.  Remembering how in 1972 he got upset over the presence of cameras, faint street noise, etc. that's very likely what killed the 1975 WC.  Unlike most of us, who have to compromise what we think best for family harmony, workplace harmony. sports team harmony, etc., Bobby Fischer wanted everything HIS way.  As a result he did nothing for himself or for the world of chess by pouting and not playing.

The question of why Karpov was "given" the title is because he WON the candidates matches!

public-image

Bobby wanted the truth and suddenly discovered it wasn't in chess.

Barry_Helafonte2

fischer should have not chicken out

Yorrdamma

As I understand it the Russians made demands for the match that Fischer could not accept. Bobby like many geniuses (And he was a chess genius) can be temperamental about these things. It was a great loss to the chess world. I think he would have won. I would love to have seen the games.

TundraMike

Charles Kalme November 1975 Chess Life & Review article said it all and still holds true today. 

Karpov when he played got exactly what Fischer wanted as the mechanics of who would win the match. Fischer would have annihilated Karpov as he did the rest of the Russians. I do think Kasparov would have finally knocked off Fischer 

Yorrdamma

Another interesting story is how Emanuel Lasker managed to avoid a match with Akiba Rubenstein who also suffered from apparent schizophrenia and phobias that ruined his chances after WWI.

And Alekhine dodged a rematch with JR Capablanca after he beat the 'invincible' Cuban in their match.

The Russian chess machine post WWII took pains to keep Paul Keres out of contention as well according to rumors where he played well vs non-Russians and poorly against the Russians.