Why do grandmasters draw equal positions?

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I've noticed that many equal positions, especially endgames, are drawn by strong players. Take this world chess championship for example, 7 draws out of 11. I've always thought that it's because they don't dare risking a loss, but is that really so? I also assume that a position can never be 100% equal, and therefore one of the players should want to play on, which makes the high frequency of draws seem strange to me.

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Onoszko wrote:

I've noticed that many equal positions, especially endgames, are drawn by strong players. Take this world chess championship for example, 7 draws out of 11. I've always thought that it's because they don't dare risking a loss, but is that really so? I also assume that a position can never be 100% equal, and therefore one of the players should want to play on, which makes the high frequency of draws seem strange to me.

Final position in game 8 of last year's WCC match:



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Ok, but for example, as you study, you learn how to draw certain positions.

This position is a trivial draw to any GM (and even to many non-titled amateurs):


So then you go back a few moves and discover this is a draw:


And you can go back even further...  So if a GM sees a trivially drawn endgame on the way, they may offer a draw before it's obviously drawn to many observers.

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Shell_Knight;

Second example include a wrong move; "7... Kd4. The white rook prevents the king from moving any closer. 8. Kc2"

If white eight move is Rc4+ , white wins.

But your point is true.

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Chessplayer6464 wrote:

Shell_Knight;

Second example include a wrong move; "7... Kd4. The white rook prevents the king from moving any closer. 8. Kc2"

If white eight move is Rc4+ , white wins.

But your point is true.

Haha, ok :)  Yes that's a major mistake.

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To the OP: The stronger the players are, the less likely it is that they will blunder in drawish endgames... So many GM's prefer to save their time and energy rather than playing for another hour to get the same result...

Avatar of JGambit

grandmasters have played a lot of chess.

to you and me many drawish endgames are still interesting, to them not as much.

Avatar of Robert_New_Alekhine

If they are interesting, you can study them. But most grandmasters have already studied these "book draws"

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And you probably should study them. If you don't see why a supposedly drawn endgame is a draw, then chances are that somebody else around your rating can't either. So if you encounter such a position in an actual game, you have a good chance of winning if you've studied the position before and your opponent hasn't.

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shell_knight wrote:

And you can go back even further...  So if a GM sees a trivially drawn endgame on the way, they may offer a draw before it's obviously drawn to many observers.

this is a really good answer. I used to wonder the same thing but the more I learn about end games the more I'm learning why they come to a quick agreement about these draws. Theyre just calling a spade a spade.

 

Macer75 also makes an excellent point.

Avatar of richb8888

pride rather  draw than lose --anybody can make a stupid mistake , you can't say in the next 20 moves there is no chance somethign could happen-----rather not lost as many points in their rating.

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it is away to say you did not lose and have your ratings hit.