Why do people hate the London System?

Smositional

Even if that is the case it is not worth the effort for such a pointless question. That's my smositional point of view.

yuvaleliba
Smositional wrote:
yuvaleliba wrote:

becuse she does not give black counter play!

The London System is female?

in hebrew  system is a female (:

ArgoNavis
Yigor escribió:

Didn't U watch fake news on CNN, BBC and Co. ?!? It's highly likely that Soviet grandmasters invented a chess novelty, called Novichok, totally demolishing the London system

I see my joke has evolved and become independent from its creator. It's sad yet fulfilling to see your kids grow up.

ToddA10

The numbers don't look good. ( winning percentage)

TitanChess666
ZBlackwingZ wrote:
Can't they just play KID with Bf5? Most everyday London System players play poorly against it.

That's what I do, and it gives me decent results.

Smositional
ToddA10 wrote:

The numbers don't look good. ( winning percentage)

That's the wrong numbaaaa ooooooooooooooooh.

Cylvouplay
TitanChess666 wrote:
ZBlackwingZ wrote:
Can't they just play KID with Bf5? Most everyday London System players play poorly against it.

That's what I do, and it gives me decent results.

Considering statistics about London System, the LS players do particularity poor against Nh5, it's 50% Black Win (Bf5 is only 17% black win with a huge 58% draw and still 25% white win).

https://chesstempo.com/gamedb/opening/1587

Plus you'll notice the Nh5 is the answer from highest ranked players. Still rare answer. Maybe need to know what you're doing then. I'm still prudent with such indication as only 12 games sustain the idea. A safer idea then is c5, then blacks are favoured by statistics with 34% win compared to 27% only for white. and it's the most popular. What is the problem with the London System if white do such poor results? They do really good only against e6 and Nc6.

These stats would suggest to avoid answers c5, c6, Bf5, Nc6, a6. Still have to be prudent, as a good move may seem bad if played by a lot of low level players (maybe e6 isn't that bad for instance as it's natural for beginner who loose more and ruin the stats).
Anyway I'm surprised because for such a FEARED opening, it seems to have really disappointing statistics for white. It seems black should just learn how to crush it instead of rage-quit/whine.

darkunorthodox88

i personally suggest to avoid a QID structure agaisnt the london. black's pieces literally have nothing to bite since d4 is overprotected, and white freely gives away the light squares. you also never get a good chance to liquify the center with d5 since white plays c3, not c4. If you happen to already have the queenside fianchetto set-up , might as well go for a hippo.