Did Hans Niemann cheat?

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Hans Niemann falls into the now-somewhat-extensive category of top-level western players who are undeniably arrogant, self-centered, and incredibly talented, joining the ranks of Bobby Fischer, Hikaru Nakamura, and Magnus Carlsen himself.

Did he cheat? Yes, online when he was younger. He admitted to it. Did he cheat OTB? No. He's an up-and-comer to match Carlsen and ten years from now will likely be in the top 10 and in the running to challenge for World Champion. He's playing in OPEN tournaments to gain rating, running himself into the ground in doing so, but he keeps winning and keeps gaining rating, so it's undeniable his play is GM level now.

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Michael0415champ wrote:
heathrowairport6 wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:
BobcatGoldwaithe wrote:

Okay, but we know why he he has celebrity power and so was able to attract investors. We also know he remains unrepentant: he tells us so and faults everyone else. Unless it is thought that he is correct about that and, true enough, that washes in some quarters, patronizing his platform is an endorsement, thus a condoning of poor behavior. I feel for the kid, but it's not really debatable. He is both a liar and a cheat, admitting it only when he was caught, but still by his own admission, and shows no remorse whatsoever. And that is exactly what he is known for now, unfortunately or not. It's part of his brand. It isn't personal but never will I allow even the appearance of my endorsement for such behavior. Never. Sorry if that sounds self-righteous. Your mileage may vary.

Yes, agreed. He is a liar and a cheater at the same time. He promised Daniil Dubov that the loser of the game would be asked one question under the lie detector. He lost that match. Then, he REFUSED to go on the test. He is not responsible for what he says.

polygraphs are complete bs. anyone with an iq above 80 knows this.

You just have to keep your breathing in check. Everybody knows that. But the thing is, he doesn't even want to pretend. He uses excuses to avoid having a useless test. That shows what personality he is

That's actually the harder way to do it. You can attempt to slow down and even out your heartbeat/blood pressure, but that is harder to maintain when that one question comes than simply riling yourself up so everything you say during the interview gives a false positive for lying, even when they ask your name at the beginning. The results will be useless. The former requires a Tibetan Monk yoga-style level of control and the other just requires you to be able to get angry and hold it for a while. I recommend listening to Rage Against the Machine to practice for the latter...

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heathrowairport6 wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:
heathrowairport6 wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:
BobcatGoldwaithe wrote:

Okay, but we know why he he has celebrity power and so was able to attract investors. We also know he remains unrepentant: he tells us so and faults everyone else. Unless it is thought that he is correct about that and, true enough, that washes in some quarters, patronizing his platform is an endorsement, thus a condoning of poor behavior. I feel for the kid, but it's not really debatable. He is both a liar and a cheat, admitting it only when he was caught, but still by his own admission, and shows no remorse whatsoever. And that is exactly what he is known for now, unfortunately or not. It's part of his brand. It isn't personal but never will I allow even the appearance of my endorsement for such behavior. Never. Sorry if that sounds self-righteous. Your mileage may vary.

Yes, agreed. He is a liar and a cheater at the same time. He promised Daniil Dubov that the loser of the game would be asked one question under the lie detector. He lost that match. Then, he REFUSED to go on the test. He is not responsible for what he says.

polygraphs are complete bs. anyone with an iq above 80 knows this.

You just have to keep your breathing in check. Everybody knows that. But the thing is, he doesn't even want to pretend. He uses excuses to avoid having a useless test. That shows what personality he is

why should he agree to do the test? to potentially give more leverage for the chess mafia to destroy his career?

Because he himself agreed to it before the match. Nobody would expect him to break his promise. But then he broke it. So we can see the personality. Who can trust him again?

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heathrowairport6 wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:
heathrowairport6 wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:
BobcatGoldwaithe wrote:

Okay, but we know why he he has celebrity power and so was able to attract investors. We also know he remains unrepentant: he tells us so and faults everyone else. Unless it is thought that he is correct about that and, true enough, that washes in some quarters, patronizing his platform is an endorsement, thus a condoning of poor behavior. I feel for the kid, but it's not really debatable. He is both a liar and a cheat, admitting it only when he was caught, but still by his own admission, and shows no remorse whatsoever. And that is exactly what he is known for now, unfortunately or not. It's part of his brand. It isn't personal but never will I allow even the appearance of my endorsement for such behavior. Never. Sorry if that sounds self-righteous. Your mileage may vary.

Yes, agreed. He is a liar and a cheater at the same time. He promised Daniil Dubov that the loser of the game would be asked one question under the lie detector. He lost that match. Then, he REFUSED to go on the test. He is not responsible for what he says.

polygraphs are complete bs. anyone with an iq above 80 knows this.

You just have to keep your breathing in check. Everybody knows that. But the thing is, he doesn't even want to pretend. He uses excuses to avoid having a useless test. That shows what personality he is

why should he agree to do the test? to potentially give more leverage for the chess mafia to destroy his career?

His career deserves to be destroyed if he cheated against Magnus. Are you saying you support that cheater and liar?

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idk

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heathrowairport6 wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:
heathrowairport6 wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:
heathrowairport6 wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:
BobcatGoldwaithe wrote:

Okay, but we know why he he has celebrity power and so was able to attract investors. We also know he remains unrepentant: he tells us so and faults everyone else. Unless it is thought that he is correct about that and, true enough, that washes in some quarters, patronizing his platform is an endorsement, thus a condoning of poor behavior. I feel for the kid, but it's not really debatable. He is both a liar and a cheat, admitting it only when he was caught, but still by his own admission, and shows no remorse whatsoever. And that is exactly what he is known for now, unfortunately or not. It's part of his brand. It isn't personal but never will I allow even the appearance of my endorsement for such behavior. Never. Sorry if that sounds self-righteous. Your mileage may vary.

Yes, agreed. He is a liar and a cheater at the same time. He promised Daniil Dubov that the loser of the game would be asked one question under the lie detector. He lost that match. Then, he REFUSED to go on the test. He is not responsible for what he says.

polygraphs are complete bs. anyone with an iq above 80 knows this.

You just have to keep your breathing in check. Everybody knows that. But the thing is, he doesn't even want to pretend. He uses excuses to avoid having a useless test. That shows what personality he is

why should he agree to do the test? to potentially give more leverage for the chess mafia to destroy his career?

His career deserves to be destroyed if he cheated against Magnus. Are you saying you support that cheater and liar?

the polygraph wouldve proved nothing, regardless of the result. didnt we establish this?

Of course, it is useless. But a lie is a lie. He doesn't even face it. He breaks his own promise. Why would you think he is good? He is not even a responsible person for what he says. So if he breaks what he previously said, why should we trust him that he is innocent? Magnus and Hikaru might be hypocrites as what Hans said. But they are saying truths, unlike Hans.
Also, the second thing we hate Hans Niemann is because of his attitudes. He says really bad stuff about others. But who does he think he is? Why does he think he can judge if Hikaru is a coward?

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Michael0415champ wrote:
heathrowairport6 wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:
heathrowairport6 wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:
heathrowairport6 wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:
BobcatGoldwaithe wrote:

Okay, but we know why he he has celebrity power and so was able to attract investors. We also know he remains unrepentant: he tells us so and faults everyone else. Unless it is thought that he is correct about that and, true enough, that washes in some quarters, patronizing his platform is an endorsement, thus a condoning of poor behavior. I feel for the kid, but it's not really debatable. He is both a liar and a cheat, admitting it only when he was caught, but still by his own admission, and shows no remorse whatsoever. And that is exactly what he is known for now, unfortunately or not. It's part of his brand. It isn't personal but never will I allow even the appearance of my endorsement for such behavior. Never. Sorry if that sounds self-righteous. Your mileage may vary.

Yes, agreed. He is a liar and a cheater at the same time. He promised Daniil Dubov that the loser of the game would be asked one question under the lie detector. He lost that match. Then, he REFUSED to go on the test. He is not responsible for what he says.

polygraphs are complete bs. anyone with an iq above 80 knows this.

You just have to keep your breathing in check. Everybody knows that. But the thing is, he doesn't even want to pretend. He uses excuses to avoid having a useless test. That shows what personality he is

why should he agree to do the test? to potentially give more leverage for the chess mafia to destroy his career?

His career deserves to be destroyed if he cheated against Magnus. Are you saying you support that cheater and liar?

the polygraph wouldve proved nothing, regardless of the result. didnt we establish this?

Of course, it is useless. But a lie is a lie. He doesn't even face it. He breaks his own promise. Why would you think he is good? He is not even a responsible person for what he says. So if he breaks what he previously said, why should we trust him that he is innocent? Magnus and Hikaru might be hypocrites as what Hans said. But they are saying truths, unlike Hans.
Also, the second thing we hate Hans Niemann is because of his attitudes. He says really bad stuff about others. But who does he think he is? Why does he think he can judge if Hikaru is a coward?

Okay, so after this comment, heathrowairport6 quits the discussion and cries like a baby probably. It is very unwise to support an irresponsible person like Hans Niemann. Hans breaks his promises as usual. So now after heathrowairport6 quits the discussion, we can finally discuss other bad things about the personality of Hans and his fans

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Hans Nieman used a mirror on the celeing during a chess game to see the opponents moves so yes he's a chester

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wassup
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No I don’t think
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Michael0415champ wrote:

His career deserves to be destroyed if he cheated against Magnus.

He did not cheat against Magnus. Pretty much everybody agrees on that, including Magnus.

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magipi wrote:
Michael0415champ wrote:

His career deserves to be destroyed if he cheated against Magnus.

He did not cheat against Magnus. Pretty much everybody agrees on that, including Magnus.

He is a cheater and all of us agree on this. However, we have no evidence on whether he really cheated in that game against Magnus
But what we are talking now is his personality. It is really bad and he is too disrespectful to other chess players. He is not responsible for his own words as he breaks his own promise. So we should not believe in his words

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No, but god this guy has a maturity of a young teen, not only that, but a self worth borderline on a mental health level. Very scary imo. I guess being a great chess player doesn't require intelligence or any maturity sadly.....

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No matter how great you are , you won’t be “perfect “
Maybe he miscalculated his opening
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yes

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Carlsen playing a really bad opening, getting beaten and publicly accusing Hans along with Hikaru may be the biggest disgrace in chess ever.

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was a public apology ever issued ?

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downvoted twice! i see people still judge Hans in spite of Carlsen and Hikaru being the ones who behaved wrongly, damaging Hans career.

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