It’s shame for me
Why do some players immediately resign the moment they lose the momentum? Is it ego? Pride? Shame?
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Different people have different opinions.
Is sometimes feels like you trying to force people to have the same opinions as you Coolout.
CooloutAC wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
GoldenDegree wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
GoldenDegree wrote:
jjupiter6 wrote:
Resigning is part of chess. Always has been. This isn't basketball or American Football where you have to play until time is up, even when losing. Some know nothings are having trouble separating them from chess.
I had difficulty separating the other way, lol. The difference though between football, basketball, or most other sports from a game of chess is that at some point the game resets to a starting position after points usually. This allows both teams some sort of chance. Unlike in a game of chess where losing focus for a move can topple your position for the game. I guess BJJ is similar to chess in that way, no wonder people people call grappling physical chess (though people call every sport in existence physical chess).
You still can forfeit even those matches. But that comes with some serious drawbacks, and the sponsors won't be too happy about it because you've just deprived them of contractually agreed ad uptime.
I suppose when chess championships get plastered all over with corporate logos, down to each individual piece, resignations will be more frowned upon, too.
What you say is probably true, but thats only because losers don't get sponsors. They want to sponsor winners. And if you resign at the drop of the hat, you simply won't win as much, period.
Everyone gets sponsors. Even TB Buccaneers in their worst years had sponsors.
Whole sports don't even get sponsors. And if basketball or football players acted like many e-sport players in real life, their sports would be just as dead.
Wdym? I don’t know much on football or basketball or esports.
The same basic principles apply to all sports. Basically if real life athletic sports athletes chose to smurf or felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those lower skilled then them, they would not be as respected or supported. And noone respects a player in any game, who doesn't play to win. That leads to cheating or griefing, which quitting is sometimes considered as.
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, and who you're trying to prove it to; but this is getting ridiculous. We're not talking about sandbaggers; we're talking about people who resign when they don't feel they can turn a match around anymore.
Even your professional athletes will sometimes, despite what they say on the press conferences, not play to win if they figure saving their strength for the next match and avoiding injuries is more important to their league effort than the result of this one particular match. Besides, smurfing very definitely does go on even in your "athletic sports". You know how teams, when playing an (on paper) lower-rated opponent will often rest out their top players, and play with the B-team?
A team or a player that "play to win" 24/7 will never win anything - they'll be beaten out by those smart enough to think strategically and not tire themselves out meaninglessly to win the match only to proceed to then losing the tournament because their next opponents were fresher.
Its the same type of mentality, if you don't care about the game you don't care about the game. If you aren't playing to improve yourself, your not playing to improve yourself. If you aren't playing to win you aren't playing to win.
Yes and just like professional athletes I also can criticize myself and say you should never resign even though I resign 80% of my losses. That is because i'm willing ot admit I don't have the mental fortitude. I'm too emotional. I believe it is easier to condition yourself when you are younger rather then when you are my age. So people should try to follow the correct advice of almost every coach, streamer and chessbook, and pro athlete, sooner rather then later.
Everyone who plays chess regularly, cares about the game - otherwise they would be doing something else.
unfortunately that is not everyones nature my friend. Its a nice thought, but its naive. Some people care about improving their chess, or care about having competitive matches at their level. Others just want to grief themselves or others and do so out of resentment. Many people lie to themselves. Many people in these forums don't even play games here and just troll others.
It is possible to care about the game and not give a damn how good you are at it. Mind-blowing, I know.
Caring about the game would mean wanting to have competitive matches for you or others my friend. No matter how good you are yourself. If you don't care about those things, then you don't care about the game.
[citation needed]
Jimemy wrote:
Different people have different opinions.
Is sometimes feels like you trying to force people to have the same opinions as you Coolout.
No....he adds "period" when he does that.
CooloutAC wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
GoldenDegree wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
GoldenDegree wrote:
jjupiter6 wrote:
Resigning is part of chess. Always has been. This isn't basketball or American Football where you have to play until time is up, even when losing. Some know nothings are having trouble separating them from chess.
I had difficulty separating the other way, lol. The difference though between football, basketball, or most other sports from a game of chess is that at some point the game resets to a starting position after points usually. This allows both teams some sort of chance. Unlike in a game of chess where losing focus for a move can topple your position for the game. I guess BJJ is similar to chess in that way, no wonder people people call grappling physical chess (though people call every sport in existence physical chess).
You still can forfeit even those matches. But that comes with some serious drawbacks, and the sponsors won't be too happy about it because you've just deprived them of contractually agreed ad uptime.
I suppose when chess championships get plastered all over with corporate logos, down to each individual piece, resignations will be more frowned upon, too.
What you say is probably true, but thats only because losers don't get sponsors. They want to sponsor winners. And if you resign at the drop of the hat, you simply won't win as much, period.
Everyone gets sponsors. Even TB Buccaneers in their worst years had sponsors.
Whole sports don't even get sponsors. And if basketball or football players acted like many e-sport players in real life, their sports would be just as dead.
Wdym? I don’t know much on football or basketball or esports.
The same basic principles apply to all sports. Basically if real life athletic sports athletes chose to smurf or felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those lower skilled then them, they would not be as respected or supported. And noone respects a player in any game, who doesn't play to win. That leads to cheating or griefing, which quitting is sometimes considered as.
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, and who you're trying to prove it to; but this is getting ridiculous. We're not talking about sandbaggers; we're talking about people who resign when they don't feel they can turn a match around anymore.
Even your professional athletes will sometimes, despite what they say on the press conferences, not play to win if they figure saving their strength for the next match and avoiding injuries is more important to their league effort than the result of this one particular match. Besides, smurfing very definitely does go on even in your "athletic sports". You know how teams, when playing an (on paper) lower-rated opponent will often rest out their top players, and play with the B-team?
A team or a player that "play to win" 24/7 will never win anything - they'll be beaten out by those smart enough to think strategically and not tire themselves out meaninglessly to win the match only to proceed to then losing the tournament because their next opponents were fresher.
Its the same type of mentality, if you don't care about the game you don't care about the game. If you aren't playing to improve yourself, your not playing to improve yourself. If you aren't playing to win you aren't playing to win.
Yes and just like professional athletes I also can criticize myself and say you should never resign even though I resign 80% of my losses. That is because i'm willing ot admit I don't have the mental fortitude. I'm too emotional. I believe it is easier to condition yourself when you are younger rather then when you are my age. So people should try to follow the correct advice of almost every coach, streamer and chessbook, and pro athlete, sooner rather then later.
Everyone who plays chess regularly, cares about the game - otherwise they would be doing something else.
unfortunately that is not everyones nature my friend. Its a nice thought, but its naive. Some people care about improving their chess, or care about having competitive matches at their level. Others just want to grief themselves or others and do so out of resentment. Many people lie to themselves. Many people in these forums don't even play games here and just troll others.
It is possible to care about the game and not give a damn how good you are at it. Mind-blowing, I know.
Caring about the game would mean wanting to have competitive matches for you or others my friend. No matter how good you are yourself. If you don't care about those things, then you don't care about the game.
[citation needed]
The fact you need a citation for what is common sports sense and human nature. Or for me to define to you what it means to be a competitive players, says it all.
Why don't you go ahead and define what "caring for the game" means to you and then we can discuss the differences between mine and your interpretation.
And it's just some sort of an inexplicable cosmic coincidence that this "common sense" you speak of is exactly in line with what you're trying to sell here, eh? 
CooloutAC wrote:
Jimemy wrote:
Different people have different opinions.
Is sometimes feels like you trying to force people to have the same opinions as you Coolout.
If that is true why would I ask the poster i last replied to, to give his opinion on the subject so we can discuss it. When people refuse to, they are simply conceding mine. I'm here to have an honest debate, many apparently are not. How can we have an honest debate if we dont' agree on the defining terms?
If I had a rappe (that is 0.01 CHF, for those who wonder what the word means) every time someone tried this passive-aggressive move on me, I'd probably have earned an extra monthly salary.
No, people refusing to play along with what you want aren't "conceding" to anything,. They just figure you're not worth taking seriously.
Jul 10, 2022
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sachin884 wrote:
what on earth is this.. ego?? resigning is ego?? pride??? go keep on spreading rumours.. shame??? damn it you talk like u never lost a chess game.. its just that they are losing and they accept it??
???
Sachin is a little crazy in the brain. And he doesn’t speak English as a native language. Ignore
Because most people destroy the strategy. Think of it like freedom of speech and someone runs around interrupting everyone with screaming poop.
I had one recently where I opened e4 and BOOM! I won. He never even moved. I didn't realize how powerful e4 was.
Vegosiux wrote:
No, people refusing to play along with what you want aren't "conceding" to anything,. They just figure you're not worth taking seriously.
mikekalish wrote:
Vegosiux wrote:
No, people refusing to play along with what you want aren't "conceding" to anything,. They just figure you're not worth taking seriously.
I can imagine trying to play someone like that in an over the board game of chess. Someone might reasonably play 1.e4, expecting a reasonable appropriate response.
Instead, he says "I accept your concession". White looks up, a bit surprised, and says "wait, what?, it's your turn".
But he insists playing e4 is a concession of the game because it doesn't address the points he's made, it's dishonest, and not sportive. Plus it's not the definition of an opening that HE likes, so it's shameful.
I imagine people like that don't get far in life.
CooloutAC wrote:
I'm here to have an honest debate,
Many people don't get that impression and, after all, if it isn't true then it isn't true, if you see what I mean. The general perception is that you're intolerant of differing opinions to yours and even when you're wrong, you make no effort to understand those opinions. Personally I don't think that's entirely tru. I believe that you do make the effort, in your own time but you rarely admit to it. It would be more persuasive if you admitted that differing opinions sometimes cause you to change your own.
Many people don't get that impression and, after all, if it isn't true then it isn't true, if you see what I mean. The general perception is that you're intolerant of differing opinions to yours and even when you're wrong, you make no effort to understand those opinions. Personally I don't think that's entirely tru. I believe that you do make the effort, in your own time but you rarely admit to it. It would be more persuasive if you admitted that differing opinions sometimes cause you to change your own.
CooloutAC wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
I'm here to have an honest debate,
Many people don't get that impression and, after all, if it isn't true then it isn't true, if you see what I mean. The general perception is that you're intolerant of differing opinions to yours and even when you're wrong, you make no effort to understand those opinions. Personally I don't think that's entirely tru. I believe that you do make the effort, in your own time but you rarely admit to it. It would be more persuasive if you admitted that differing opinions sometimes cause you to change your own.
Many people don't get that impression and, after all, if it isn't true then it isn't true, if you see what I mean. The general perception is that you're intolerant of differing opinions to yours and even when you're wrong, you make no effort to understand those opinions. Personally I don't think that's entirely tru. I believe that you do make the effort, in your own time but you rarely admit to it. It would be more persuasive if you admitted that differing opinions sometimes cause you to change your own.
^ Case and point. no retort to any points made, and no new points on the topic. A flamboyant concession to all those points previously made. Many are reading in the shadows and judging.
Do you believe that people take it so seriously? You should be quaking in your boots if you're right!
What does case and point mean? Case in point?
CooloutAC wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
What does case and point mean? Case in point?
lol. when one corrects someones grammar online, is usually because they have no other argument and is considered a concession.
Yes....USUALLY that's likely true. This appears to be an exception.
CooloutAC wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
I'm here to have an honest debate,
Many people don't get that impression and, after all, if it isn't true then it isn't true, if you see what I mean. The general perception is that you're intolerant of differing opinions to yours and even when you're wrong, you make no effort to understand those opinions. Personally I don't think that's entirely tru. I believe that you do make the effort, in your own time but you rarely admit to it. It would be more persuasive if you admitted that differing opinions sometimes cause you to change your own.
Many people don't get that impression and, after all, if it isn't true then it isn't true, if you see what I mean. The general perception is that you're intolerant of differing opinions to yours and even when you're wrong, you make no effort to understand those opinions. Personally I don't think that's entirely tru. I believe that you do make the effort, in your own time but you rarely admit to it. It would be more persuasive if you admitted that differing opinions sometimes cause you to change your own.
^ Case and point. no retort to any points made, and no new points on the topic. A flamboyant concession to all those points previously made. Many are reading in the shadows and judging.
^^^^ Flamboyant Concession s ^
Jul 12, 2022
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#219
I can only speak for myself but if I see that my chances are slim to none, then I generally resign early. I wouldn’t say that it’s pride, shame, or ego but more likely, it’s exasperation for making careless, poorly planned moves when I know better. So I guess there is some ego involved after all! Occasionally, the other player will say “Give it up, resign!”, which is rude. Usually, I’ll text back “shhh!”
Resigning is part of chess. Always has been. This isn't basketball or American Football where you have to play until time is up, even when losing. Some know nothings are having trouble separating them from chess.
I had difficulty separating the other way, lol. The difference though between football, basketball, or most other sports from a game of chess is that at some point the game resets to a starting position after points usually. This allows both teams some sort of chance. Unlike in a game of chess where losing focus for a move can topple your position for the game. I guess BJJ is similar to chess in that way, no wonder people people call grappling physical chess (though people call every sport in existence physical chess).
You still can forfeit even those matches. But that comes with some serious drawbacks, and the sponsors won't be too happy about it because you've just deprived them of contractually agreed ad uptime.
I suppose when chess championships get plastered all over with corporate logos, down to each individual piece, resignations will be more frowned upon, too.
What you say is probably true, but thats only because losers don't get sponsors. They want to sponsor winners. And if you resign at the drop of the hat, you simply won't win as much, period.
Everyone gets sponsors. Even TB Buccaneers in their worst years had sponsors.
Whole sports don't even get sponsors. And if basketball or football players acted like many e-sport players in real life, their sports would be just as dead.
Wdym? I don’t know much on football or basketball or esports.
The same basic principles apply to all sports. Basically if real life athletic sports athletes chose to smurf or felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those lower skilled then them, they would not be as respected or supported. And noone respects a player in any game, who doesn't play to win. That leads to cheating or griefing, which quitting is sometimes considered as.
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, and who you're trying to prove it to; but this is getting ridiculous. We're not talking about sandbaggers; we're talking about people who resign when they don't feel they can turn a match around anymore.
Even your professional athletes will sometimes, despite what they say on the press conferences, not play to win if they figure saving their strength for the next match and avoiding injuries is more important to their league effort than the result of this one particular match. Besides, smurfing very definitely does go on even in your "athletic sports". You know how teams, when playing an (on paper) lower-rated opponent will often rest out their top players, and play with the B-team?
A team or a player that "play to win" 24/7 will never win anything - they'll be beaten out by those smart enough to think strategically and not tire themselves out meaninglessly to win the match only to proceed to then losing the tournament because their next opponents were fresher.
Its the same type of mentality, if you don't care about the game you don't care about the game. If you aren't playing to improve yourself, your not playing to improve yourself. If you aren't playing to win you aren't playing to win.
Yes and just like professional athletes I also can criticize myself and say you should never resign even though I resign 80% of my losses. That is because i'm willing ot admit I don't have the mental fortitude. I'm too emotional. I believe it is easier to condition yourself when you are younger rather then when you are my age. So people should try to follow the correct advice of almost every coach, streamer and chessbook, and pro athlete, sooner rather then later.
Everyone who plays chess regularly, cares about the game - otherwise they would be doing something else.
unfortunately that is not everyones nature my friend. Its a nice thought, but its naive. Some people care about improving their chess, or care about having competitive matches at their level. Others just want to grief themselves or others and do so out of resentment. Many people lie to themselves. Many people in these forums don't even play games here and just troll others.
It is possible to care about the game and not give a damn how good you are at it. Mind-blowing, I know.