What about 1 Rd8 Ra7 2 Rc8 ?
BobbyTalparov wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Is 1 Rd8 a nonLucena way for White to win?
No, because it doesn't win. 1 Rd8 is met by Ra7 and black can force a draw easily (1. Rd8 Ra7 2. Rd6 Ra8+ Rd8 Ra7 ...)
Why do they say study the endgame first?
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After 1 Rd8 Ra7 2 Rc8 Ra3 3 Kd8 Rd3+ 4 Kc7, what does Black do?
BobbyTalparov wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
What about 1 Rd8 Ra7 2 Rc8 ?
Ra3 - if you ever move your king out, the rook checks it (i.e. Kd8 Rd3+) until it goes back or until you draw the game due to repetition because you do not know that the Lucena Position is the only way to win this.
Jul 19, 2017
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#65
pawn8888 wrote:
If you make a mess of the opening, your end-game isn't going to matter much since it will already be lost. Studying end games is like studying what things would be like if Hillary Clinton won or what the world would be like if we had two suns. Since chess has infinite moves the chance that an end-game would be the same as one in a book is extremely unlikely. Which means it's a waste of time
Thats not a fact . studying endgames helps the brain recognize tactical patterns.. and winning an opening dosent mean you cannot fall into a trap in the middle and endgame.
2 pawns on the 6th rank (regaurdless of file) is Always stronger than a lone rook.!!
Jul 20, 2017
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#67
Because there is a lot of dogma in chess. "Study endgames and open positions", how about no, mofos?
Jul 20, 2017
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#69
BobbyTalparov wrote:
It is common in quite a few disciplines to study where you are going before you study how to get there. The idea is that you can quickly evaluate whether you are entering a winning endgame in you have a good mastery of endgames.
What is the most important skill in chess? Checkmating your opponent. If you cant do it with the basics you cannot do it during intense play. That is why I teach everyone learning chess how to checkmate with a rook and then a queen to start. Then the other pieces come into play too like bishops and lastly knights. Most games end in endgames so its important to know how to win them. And I've lost more rook endgames than I can count.
Jul 20, 2017
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#70
but do those players checkmate or go to the endgame? Pawn play is important too.
Jul 20, 2017
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#71
cuz they dont want you to progress obviously. nonsensical to think somehow you can learn how to run before you even get out of your mothers womb.
Jul 20, 2017
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#72
I like to study whatever my spirit wants.. i still have 7 more books to read..
seems like studying chess is a neverending bang your head against the wall.. imagine how much material svenmagnus has studied
Fischer read more than 2500 books and russian articles, Morph snuck chessbooks to bed. it is actually unknown how much chessmaterial Morphy studied .
Jul 20, 2017
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#73
I like to study and play and take breaks. Sometimes I study and sometimes I don't. I set goals too. This helps me keep a good sight that I'm improving and not wasting my time. It's good to rest, good to play and good to have an enjoyable time.
BobbyTalparov wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
What about 1 Rd8 Ra7 2 Rc8 ?
Ra3 - if you ever move your king out, the rook checks it (i.e. Kd8 Rd3+) until it goes back or until you draw the game due to repetition because you do not know that the Lucena Position is the only way to win this.
Are you going to tell us what you think Black does after 1 Rd8 Ra7 2 Rc8 Ra3 3 Kd8 Rd3+ 4 Kc7 (reaching the position shown in #85)?
BobbyTalparov wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Are you going to tell us what you think Black does after 1 Rd8 Ra7 2 Rc8 Ra3 3 Kd8 Rd3+ 4 Kc7 (reaching the position shown in #85)?
The answer to your question is already in #85. Black will check the king until he goes back behind the pawn or repeats the position.
So you don't see any potential problem for Black after 4...Rc3+ 5 Kb7 Rb3+ 6 Ka6, etc. ?
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the "Real Lucena" is with the black rook on a1, the king on e8/g7, the white rook on d2 and the white pawn on e7
Is 1 Rd8 a nonLucena way for White to win?