Chess is Gouda. That's why it exists.
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EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:
You seriously misinterpret my purpose here. I'm not out to show you up as how much smarter I am than you. I simply told you that pure science is the basis of just about every advancement you have in your life. Of course engineers designed computers but someone else had to first discover electricity and silicone and even magnetism. You claim these are worthless pursuits because you aren't interested in them. That's on you. Don't wish it on the world.
A BA in liberal arts in college is a basis for further learning. Everyone is not able or interested in STEM. Education is a broad basis of knowledge. Learning to think is part of it as is socialization in elementary school. People, in the USA at least, are free to choose a life for themselves not to have anyone else dictate it to them. Life is richer with writers, poets, composers and musicians, painters and farmer ( mostly farmers ). On a more practical level, there isn't enough work for 8 billion engineers.
Do you really think people like Einstein only studied STEM? He was a painter and played violin and also played chess. Enrico Fermi was a mountaineer. Wernher von Braun was also an accomplished amateur musician and composer. He could play the piano and the cello.
I'm not a philosophy fan either but that's subjective.
Sep 27, 2023
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Festerthetester hat geschrieben:
Hightider wrote:
Festerthetester hat geschrieben:
Try not to pay too much attention to people like EndgameEnthusiast2357 who is a 24 year old unemployed wastrel living with his parents who claims education is a waste of money while he trolls threads whining about how hard life is.
Okay, but most bit of education is non applicable and only takes up space in your mind. Education needs to be less broad and more specific. What use is it for me to know algebra if I will never use it in my life? It's useful to a scientist, but not a bricklayer.
And without having finished school (which were for other reasons) I still had 2 nice businesses, and nowadays I am a self taught digital nomad travelling the world, fully self sustained. I only learned what I needed, too.
Education should be accessible to everyone if they want it, but education in general (stuffing useless information in a childs head without goals for it) is useless. I could memorise all the capitals of every country in the world, but for what use?
Even Albert Einstein said you shouldn't clutter your mind with useless information. He also said "We are not what we know but what we are willing to learn".
Smart man, not only when it comes down to sciences but also full of wisdom.
I highlighted your hypocrisy.
What he actually said was
“I make it a rule not to clutter my mind with simple information that I can find in a book in five minutes.”
But he said that after he was educated. Not as an excuse not to be.
There was no hypocrisy. But thanks for the attack. Tells me exactly who I am dealing with.
The point was very simple: Education is great, but what we normally consider education (the form we get in schools which is 90% utterly useless after you graduate) is just a waste of time.
Sep 27, 2023
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#47
EndgameEnthusiast2357 hat geschrieben:
Festerthetester wrote:
A BA in liberal arts in college is a basis for further learning. Everyone is not able or interested in STEM. Education is a broad basis of knowledge. Learning to think is part of it as is socialization in elementary school. People, in the USA at least, are free to choose a life for themselves not to have anyone else dictate it to them. Life is richer with writers, poets, composers and musicians, painters and farmer ( mostly farmers ). On a more practical level, there isn't enough work for 8 billion engineers.
It doesn't benefit society. We need more biomedical research and computer science and physics advancements before people can afford to waste time studying literature, art, or gender studies. Sports player revenue (with the exception of chess) for example, should be taxed 95% and all that money go to fund STEM research instead. All STEM careers should carry a tuition free college education, and a mandatory minimum 6 figure starting salary for any job, with the lost revenue replaced with higher fees for the dumb fields. Tik tok influencers should be taxed in a similar way. I'll make an exception for music as many people depend on that for mental stability, (unless of course it's Taylor Swift or Justin Beiber, than tax tax tax them away). Einstein lived in an era where there wasn't much tech, so he could afford to spend time playing chess and the violin and paint.
Now I feel like a contrarian, because I disagree again in this thread.
Entertainers and artists are just as important for society as engineers and builders. A society is more than just nice roads and tall buildings. We live for more than to create, we also like to enjoy the presence, and the presence is way more enjoyable with people who know how to entertain us right. If we had no outlet, it would look like 1984 around here, and who would want that?
Life is not only about structure and function, but also about colour and enjoyment.
You can't just always read math textbooks, sometimes you need to watch a stupid, dumb movie, too. Or you'll just get burned out.
Einstein made the DECISION to paint and play an instrument. But he easily could have went to listen to football on the radio with the boys in the lab while drinking self made gin from test tubes. He could have spent his time watching films in the cinemas. There was so much to do in his time.. Sure, we have a little more today, but you pretend like ther was nothing to do besides violin and painting. But that is simply not true.
Same as today. You can choose how you spend your free time, you can go and paint and play the violin. You could also just watch a film and browse youtube - it's up to you.
Sep 27, 2023
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#48
Forcing people who have no interest or aptitude in stem to either take stem or drop out of the system seems like a good idea to increase the number of mediocre stem professionals who can then create more negative work for the more competent to fix instead of advancing technology. Also you'll probably have less sophisticated literature, art and entertainment. 1 stone 2 birds.
Never underestimate the power of an unmotivated and unskilled workforce.
Training doesn't always produce the expected results. Ask any chess.commie.
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:
Festerthetester wrote:
A BA in liberal arts in college is a basis for further learning. Everyone is not able or interested in STEM. Education is a broad basis of knowledge. Learning to think is part of it as is socialization in elementary school. People, in the USA at least, are free to choose a life for themselves not to have anyone else dictate it to them. Life is richer with writers, poets, composers and musicians, painters and farmer ( mostly farmers ). On a more practical level, there isn't enough work for 8 billion engineers.
It doesn't benefit society. We need more biomedical research and computer science and physics advancements before people can afford to waste time studying literature, art, or gender studies. Sports player revenue (with the exception of chess) for example, should be taxed 95% and all that money go to fund STEM research instead. All STEM careers should carry a tuition free college education, and a mandatory minimum 6 figure starting salary for any job, with the lost revenue replaced with higher fees for the dumb fields. Tik tok influencers should be taxed in a similar way. I'll make an exception for music as many people depend on that for mental stability, (unless of course it's Taylor Swift or Justin Beiber, than tax tax tax them away). Einstein lived in an era where there wasn't much tech, so he could afford to spend time playing chess and the violin and paint.
Now you're just raging again because people make money doing what society likes to have them do (that's who pays them ) while you lay on mommy's couch whining about a world you can't understand. I tried to be reasonable with you but your attitude and lack of even fundamental economics is a waste of my time.
If your claim of 5 years of free college isn't pure BS and you took STEM why do you not work at 24? If you didn't take STEM you're just a lazy hypocrite.
Sep 27, 2023
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EndgameEnthusiast2357 hat geschrieben:
I was a psychology major, with a neuroscience minor, but unfortunately am not interested in actual jobs in my field. Driving is my main skill. I admit I regret going to college but at least I went for free so am not in debt. I guarantee if the general public had a say they wouldn't want sports players to be multimillionaires. People who make money doing such useless stuff need a HUGE massive wealth tax. I'd even say that Elroch guy and you deserve $25,000,000 before any sports player does, with some of your computer/math backgrounds.
Society never wants anyone to be millionaires. They don't want politicians to be millionaires saying they're all crooked, they don't like business owners to become millionaires saying they take it out of their labourers pockets and don't care for human lives, they don't like entertainers to become millionaires because playing an instrument or telling jokes is easy and anyone can just do it. The list goes on.
Life is not fair, but if you don't even work then you don't have a say in this at all. We all have to contribute in one way or another, if you're not smart enough to teach or apply sciences, too boring of a person to be entertaining then at least go pick up a job and flip burgers for the rest of us. We all need to contribute to society, and everyone should do what they're capable of. Some people build the stages, some people stand on the stages.
But if you're neither, you cost someone money. Either your mommy or the tax payers, who would rather see their money fill potholes and maintain public parks than feed a leech like you.
Hightider wrote:
Some people build the stages, some people stand on the stages.
I like this.
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:
I was a psychology major, with a neuroscience minor, but unfortunately am not interested in actual jobs in my field. Driving is my main skill. I admit I regret going to college but at least I went for free so am not in debt. I guarantee if the general public had a say they wouldn't want sports players to be multimillionaires. People who make money doing such useless stuff need a HUGE massive wealth tax. I'd even say that Elroch guy and you deserve $25,000,000 before any sports player does, with some of your computer/math backgrounds.
I was a business student during a career in computers. I later switched to history for a master degree and taught high school history. I worked while in school always. I even raised a family while in school. Life isn't come-as-you-are. It takes work. For you to have wasted five years of free college then chose to throw it away is pitiful. And now you want the world to change to fit you? Lord help the society that supports your ideas.
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:
Trucking is extremely contributional to society, and that's what I plan to do, just not at this second. As of now the only thing laying for my driving joyrides in the interest on my bank account.
Freight trucking is the primary target of AI in transportation. In a few years your five years of wasted free college may help you change tires on the rigs. You are pitifully lame non-member of society.
Sep 27, 2023
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#55
TheNameofNames hat geschrieben:
Hightider wrote:
EndgameEnthusiast2357 hat geschrieben:
I was a psychology major, with a neuroscience minor, but unfortunately am not interested in actual jobs in my field. Driving is my main skill. I admit I regret going to college but at least I went for free so am not in debt. I guarantee if the general public had a say they wouldn't want sports players to be multimillionaires. People who make money doing such useless stuff need a HUGE massive wealth tax. I'd even say that Elroch guy and you deserve $25,000,000 before any sports player does, with some of your computer/math backgrounds.
Society never wants anyone to be millionaires. They don't want politicians to be millionaires saying they're all crooked, they don't like business owners to become millionaires saying they take it out of their labourers pockets and don't care for human lives, they don't like entertainers to become millionaires because playing an instrument or telling jokes is easy and anyone can just do it. The list goes on.
Life is not fair, but if you don't even work then you don't have a say in this at all. We all have to contribute in one way or another, if you're not smart enough to teach or apply sciences, too boring of a person to be entertaining then at least go pick up a job and flip burgers for the rest of us. We all need to contribute to society, and everyone should do what they're capable of. Some people build the stages, some people stand on the stages.
But if you're neither, you cost someone money. Either your mommy or the tax payers, who would rather see their money fill potholes and maintain public parks than feed a leech like you.
how bout i dont work and steal from millionaires instead or i move to india and scam all our elderly people who dont know any better
So you would rather be scum of society than have a job. Interesting.
Sad that you see the world that way.
All the threads you've created are negative, dark, and suicidal.
and you see the big picture right?
Stick to whining. Philosophy is not your thing.
Do you think you could program even these letters appearing on your screen when you hit a key?
Yes.
I taught digital computers in IBM in the 1970s.