Why does China have so many great female players?

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Petter_U
General-TsoTso wrote:

there are a lot of people in China. about half men and half women, ´...

No, I'm afraid there are lots more men than women in China, due to the now-defunct one-child rule and people selecting male over female children due to marriage traditions and social.

Why they have so many female players is simple: they have many players, full stop. Also, their government invests a lot in chess schools and training. There are several articles written on the subject, such as this one by GM Jan Werle, this one by chess.com user NapoleonBonaparteIV, or perhaps the Wikipedia article.

General-TsoTso

about 50 million in a population of billions leaves it low 50s and late 40s in percentages, so in spite of the right honorable gentlemans one-upmanship, it's about half-half.

he was totally off the bleedin point anyway, try to stay on topic people. and i did say China had a lot of people, no ?

BoyStan

China's one child policy gave women more time to devote to chess

macer75
Smoggyabbainopadano wrote:

Also chinese men are strong.Look at Sharjah tournament.2 chinese players men are playing to qualify to candidate tournament.

They aren't weak, but the top Chinese male players relative to other top male players are not comparable to the top Chinese females relative to other females. While 2 Chinese men are playing to qualify for the Candidates' Tournament, 2 Chinese women are #1 and #2 in the world rankings, and a 3rd is currently playing in the Womens' Championship final.

macer75

Whether you're talking about men or women though, the future of Chinese chess looks very bright. The top male and female players in China tend to be pretty young - the top 4 males and all 3 females above 2500 are all 27 or younger.

macer75
stuzzicadenti wrote:

China has one of the largest gender disparities in the world. Because of the previous "one child policy" for several decades and a cultural bias for favoring male babies over female babies, the country has a severe shortage of females. More than 200 million young men are expected to remain bachelors due to this. And a lack of supply - leading to huge demand - of eligible females for marriage now and in the future is causing many leaders to encourage other countries to give incentives for foreign women to live and work in China.

And how would one go about encouraging other countries to encourage their women to live and work in another country? It doesn't seem like a feasible plan.

General-TsoTso

this is all bull, they can let women have two husbands, you guys are alarmists and propagandists for BS.

Lone_Bird960

Chinese women from Shanghai are especially aggressive. Their husbands cook and clean. I regretted not marrying one from Shanghai. I have not researched . Are those top chess female Chinese chess players from Shanghai?

macer75
Lone_Bird960 wrote:

Chinese women from Shanghai are especially aggressive. Their husbands cook and clean. I regretted not marrying one from Shanghai. I have not researched . Are those top chess female Chinese chess players from Shanghai?

Just to be clear... are you saying you regret not marrying a man from Shanghai who cooks and cleans, or a woman from Shanghai who is aggressive and makes you cook and clean? Different people have different preferences for this sort of thing, so I don't want to assume.

As for the top Chinese female players, according to my Wikipedia research ... Ju Wenjun is from Shanghai, and Hou Yifan is from Jiangsu, which is close to Shanghai. Former Womens' Champions Zhu Chen and Xu Yuhua are both from Zhejiang, which is also next to Shanghai. Tan Zhongyi is from Chongqing, and Xie Jun is from Hebei, neither of which is anywhere near Shanghai. So from these few results alone, there might be a correlation between geography and elite female players in China, but it is hard to be sure.

Also, the Shanghai area is the richest part of China, and I hear that the students there perform the best academically of all places in the country. So if there are more elite female chess players from the region, it might be in part a result of socio-economic factors.

General-TsoTso

i always knew i should have been born as a female near Shanghai, China.

Lone_Bird960

I thought you know I'm a woman macer? Although one or two did think I might be a gay fellow. Of course I meant I regret not marrying a man from Shanghai! Men from Shanghai are obedient, listen to their wives in everything.That's what everyone says in China. BTW I was born in Shanghai but moved to and ended up marrying a man from Beijing. The women in Beijing are also aggressive in my opinion. But the men in Beijing are not meek either. They always make fun of men from Shanghai.

macer75
Lone_Bird960 wrote:

I thought you know I'm a woman macer? Although one or two did think I might be a gay fellow. Of course I meant I regret not marrying a man from Shanghai! Men from Shanghai are obedient, listen to their wives in everything.That's what everyone says in China. BTW I was born in Shanghai but moved to and ended up marrying a man from Beijing. The women in Beijing are also aggressive in my opinion. But the men in Beijing are not meek either. They always make fun of men from Shanghai.

I see. If I had to guess I would have guessed you were a woman, but I didn't know. And when talking about preferences I wasn't really talking about being gay or straight (although that's something I probably should have thought of). I was thinking about how some people like to be bossy and others like to be bossed around (and still others prefer neither). But yes, people from other parts of China do seem to like making fun of men from Shanghai.

petitoutou

mm 

Bilbo21

Same reason there are so few top players from Liberland (small country which doesn't take chess seriously).

Diakonia

Because while China is teaching there youth how to play chess.  We in the US teach our young ladies about body shaming, facebook bullying, twerking, breast augmentation, how to get offended over everthing, cell phones, tablets, "I dont know what gender i am", new cars, and then tell them "We dont have the money/budget for chess"

Priorities man!

macer75
Diakonia wrote:

Because while China is teaching there youth how to play chess.  We in the US teach our young ladies about body shaming, facebook bullying, twerking, breast augmentation, how to get offended over everthing, cell phones, tablets, "I dont know what gender i am", new cars, and then tell them "We dont have the money/budget for chess"

Priorities man!

Where in the US are people teaching young ladies about new cars?

General-TsoTso

in the garages.

LouStule
macer75 wrote:

As of now 6 of the 19 highest-rated female players in the world are Chinese, including womens' #1 Hou Yifan, #2 (at least for now) Ju Wenjun, and the possible next Womens' Champion Tan Zhongyi (yes, she is a huge underdog, but if 2016 has taught us one thing, it's that underdogs shouldn't be counted out). Historically, in addition to Hou, 3 other Chinese women have won the championship title, namely Xie Jun (twice), Zhu Chen and Xu Yuhua (and yes, Judit Polgar didn't play in those championships, but a lot of other great female players did). By contrast, while China's top male players today are certainly no pushovers, none of them are consistently ranked in the top 10, and historically no Chinese player has come close to winning the WCC. Hence the question: why are there so many great Chinese female players, and why the gender disparity?

I'm not bragging but I've been beat by a 7 yo Chinese boy OTB more than once and just last week got took by a 10 yo Chinese girl. She made no mistakes...I blundered a bishop and that's all it took. BTW, I played the boy on a cruise ship and I had been drinking...he had not.

General-TsoTso

well done Lou, it's not easy to not throw a game against a kid.

macer75
micky1943 wrote:

China also has a lot of great male players--6 rated over 2700, and the Chinese men's team won gold at the Olympics in 2014. What's interesting is that chess is not a popular game at all among ordinary Chinese, although it may become more popular after their international success.

That is true, but as I noted in the OP and post 26, the top Chinese male players, whether now or historically, are not comparable relative to their female counterparts, at least relatively speaking (the males relative to other males internationally, females to other females). That is one of the reasons why I don't think population alone accounts for China's dominance in womens' chess, to address another point that was made.