Why Fischer thought computers ruined chess

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GiggleNap

in theory it may be possible to play a perfect game but if you play all of the top moves for both players from even an engine, those moves will change depending on the depth and may be different in the next version of the engine. this is an argument that has raged here and tens of thousands of posts have been dedicated to it with differing opinions. the true answer is we do not know for sure

Sharkboy2021
Huh thank you for saying that
mpaetz
ScatteredWealth wrote:

Is there such a thing as "The perfect chess game"? (Where both sides play perfect moves) If so, does white win, does black win, or is it a draw? 

    If you want to see an endless discussion of this question check out "True or False: Chess is a draw with best play", a chess.com forum started in 2013 that now has 9500+ comments.

Duck

Thank you @mpaetz happy.png

MisterWindUpBird
Nytemere wrote:

Personally, I think that Grandmasters using Chess engine preparation is kinda cheating. So I agree with Fischer

Kind of defeats the point, at least. So I agree in principle.

SmallerCircles

When I see Fischer say that stuff back in the day, I keep two things in mind. First, he was still salty about competitive chess and its organizers after thirty years. Second, he wanted to put down chess so that he could promote his namesake, Fischer Random. The way he would say when someone asked him about Kasparov or Karpov or someone else "Ah, they're cheats! And that's just the old chess anyway." We're all still playing chess and Tata Steel and the Grand Prix were plenty exciting. I think Fischer was mostly talking out of his ego.

jxu

In some sense it's a little disappointing knowing top humans will never compete with engines, but in human matches you can just turn the engine eval off and still enjoy the creativity after leaving opening book

jxu

It's amazing to think if Fischer had not rejected medical care he could still be around today, living as a recluse in Iceland. Did you know Boris Spassky is still alive?

kyilmaz

Fisher is right. But it is totally fascinating to look at what stock fish/alpha zero would do...being like 3800....its like what would pure intelligence do. Also, just because they memorize lines, doesnt mean the opposite player is going to follow that line.