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Why getting GM title is not possible at the age 30+? Is it a fact?

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DrCheckevertim
Seraphimity wrote:
checkevrytim wrote:

Why do you want to be a GM?

Yes it is curious?  I might ask what peaked your interest in chess and why you would seek such a goal.  Did you recently become financially comfortable and thus have the time to devote to something but still want to achieve a title of sorts..  Being a GM is like the best in the world its good to love chess but enjoy it first.   Go after a title for sure but GM may be a bit of a stretch from the looks of some of your games.  You are still at the level where you hang pieces. Not giving away material should be your immediate goal, if you cannot do this in say a year I'd reassess your goals.  Alot of folks take pictures of Nature/Animals but not everyone wants to be the Senior editor of National Geographic.  

Indeed. A lot of people say they "want to be a GM" and I assume it's for the prestige. I'd say that most of the time, if you actually love the game, you don't need to suddenly "be a GM." If you just want to make a living or have prestige, there are a LOT of easier (and arguably better) ways than "studying a board game" for 10,000+ hours. (and still potentially not making it)

 

Not only that, but just being called a chess master (NM) would seem prestigious enough to normal folk. Why GM?

waffllemaster
scubeknight2 wrote:

Hi,

Been Playing chess from my college days [ I mean friendly matches] and was serious on settling in Engineering career. Now after that (at the age of 32) playing serious chess [tournaments in clubs] and of course dreaming about getting GM title. Why getting GM is not possible at this age? Is it a impossible thing? If not so how much minimum time and effort one should put on daily basis towards that goal? [including theory and practice]. How the time is shared among the Theory and Practical games?

As someone else said, try for master first.  It will be a great achievement.  If you really want to be a GM, you're wasting your time in a forum talking about it.  At age 30, it will take the passion to spend all your free time doing nothing but chess and loving every second of it.  Impossible?  Who knows.  But if you do it, you'll probably set a record :p

blueemu

Enrico Paoli was awarded the GM title at age 88, but he hadn't actually earned the three "GM norms" that the title requires. The oldest player to have earned the GM title in the usual way was Jaanis Klovans, who became a Master at 41 and finally gained the GM title at age 60.

waffllemaster
blueemu wrote:

Enrico Paoli was awarded the GM title at age 88, but he hadn't actually earned the three "GM norms" that the title requires. The oldest player to have earned the GM title in the usual way was Jaanis Klovans, who became a Master at 41 and finally gained the GM title at age 60.

Well, I didn't mean a record if he made it later in life.  Certainly there are many who have gained titles at an advanced age...

But looking at their history none of them were unrated and neophytes at age 30.  They were promising young players, maybe even titled, before taking a lengthy break.  If he began his chess journey at 30 and ended up a GM I think he would be the first ever.

iksarol
Annabella1 wrote:

awwww   so I guess is out of the question AT MY AGE huh?  oh well......

totally , sorry

madhacker

Your current rating is 1100. A GM is typically 2600. That means a GM could be defined as a player who would demolish a player who would demolish a player who would demolish a player who would demolish you.

guesso

What is the point of being a GM? Even a guy like Vallejo who had a 2700ish rating (I think everyone on the site would be super happy to have a rating of 2700) retired because he was a punching bag in strong tournaments.

Aim for top 5 at least!

Bur_Oak

Heck, I'm happy if I'm on the right side of the bell curve.

madhacker

I've never quite understood why the bell-curve is meant to apply to chess players. Surely it must be more like a slope, with the majority concentrated at the bottom rather than in the middle. Don't forget, most "chess players" are casual enthusiasts who play a game with their friends from time to time.

fburton

Yes, most chess players are at the bell-end of the curve - if it's possible to say that - though I'm not sure if bell-curve even applies here. 

madhacker

Slightly unfortunate way of phrasing it...

Paristar

I started learning and playing chess at the age of 25. First rating 843. Now I Am 31 and my rating is 1656. I don't think that I can be a GM. If i had started when I was 15 maybe my changes to get at least FM would be good. But I learned chess from the beginning , had a lot of fun and saw how my chess play improved. If someone with 30+ begins learning chess and wants to get GM he needs to have plenty of  time and money and even then nobody can say if he will achieve this goal because psychology plays a role and each lose is frustrating and influences you at the next game because you are further away your goal and will have pressure to win the next one. I have set myself the goal to be 1800 rated. Which isn't so far away as the 2500 GM(plus norms). This a  realistic and reachable goal . If you are rated for example 1200 I would suggest you to set your goal 1500 rated  and have fun playing chess.

Rasparovov
BabyRhinoRainbow wrote:

I don't think anyone with genius IQ would waste their life mastering a board game :p

Kasparov.

madhacker
Paristar wrote:

I have set myself the goal to be 1800 rated. Which isn't so far away as the 2500 GM(plus norms).

1800 is a million miles away from 2500.

GenghisCant
Rasparovov wrote:
BabyRhinoRainbow wrote:

I don't think anyone with genius IQ would waste their life mastering a board game :p

Kasparov.

His IQ is 135. That is above average, and also impressive, but it would depend on the IQ test given to determine if that is genius or no. Many of them have different ratings levels. Generally over 140 is considered genius. Then again, on some tests it is 130 and on others 180. It would be difficult to know unless you can provide the type of testing carried out on Kasparov.

Scottrf

Well, firstly IQ tests measure your ability to solve IQ puzzles, they aren't a great measure of intelligence as most would understand it.

Secondly, find it hard to believe a man with the creativity, problem solving ability, calculation skills and memory of Kasparov has an IQ of 135. I've been tested higher and don't for a second believe myself to be more intelligent than him. They are quite inconsistent as well.

GenghisCant

Depends on the test. This is from the Mensa website, listing just a few of the types of test and explaining that the figure is meaningless without knowing the type of test taken.

As different IQ tests were developed, each was given its own scoring system. Therefore, an IQ of 150 is a meaningless claim unless you know the actual test which was used. In order to compare one IQ test against another, the scores are converted to 'percentiles', i.e. where a person's score falls in comparison to the rest of the population by percentage. Mensa offers membership to anyone whose IQ score places them within the top two per cent of the population, no matter which approved test was used.

A top 2% mark in any of these frequently used tests below qualifies you for entry to Mensa. The minimum test mark to get into Mensa is:

  • Cattell III B - 148
  • Culture Fair - 132
  • Ravens Advanced Matrices - 135
  • Ravens Standard Matrices - 131
  • Wechsler Scales - 132

 

Other sources say 180 on some other tests, again others say 140.

TornadoTee

So you're saying that if someone lives on this planet for 30 years, they are incapable of becoming a grandmaster?

 

That question doesn't even deserve an answer.

GenghisCant

and I agree with you regarding IQ tests measuring how good you are at IQ tests, but the post I quoted specifically said 'genius IQ', so I answered based on what is considered a genius IQ, not intelligence.

waffllemaster

Not sure why it's hard to believe Kasparov would have a 135 IQ.  When professional players sit at the board they aren't accessing the areas of the brain that deal with logic and problem solving, they're mostly accessing long term memory.  That and learned skills like calculation go into being a good player.  This has been shown with imaging devices while masters play each other.  IQ is not supposed to change much, chess rating is supposed to change hundreds of points.

You may say "this man is in the top 1/10th% of downhill skier... he must also be in the 1/10th% of IQ also?  No.  lol.  Chess is a skill.