Why I'm Done With Chess

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This is how I view chess:

chess is a nasty bag of tricks.

the more tricks you have, the better you are.

the tricks is like the different colors too an artist

how you apply them unto the canvas, is in the hand of the artist.

To be a master is to astonish the beholder

to astonish, you need one skill

what is that skill?

It is  creativity.

You cannot teach someone that

You are the designer of knowledge

you will know, who you are

others can just confirm, what you have made.

you can teach, and give art classes, and value the effort of students.

but to a master, they would remain students.

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fireballz wrote:

This is how I view chess:

chess is a nasty bag of tricks.

the more tricks you have, the better you are.

the tricks is like the different colors too an artist

how you apply them unto the canvas, is in the hand of the artist.

To be a master is to astonish the beholder

to astonish, you need one skill

what is that skill?

It is  creativity.

You cannot teach someone that

You are the designer of knowledge

you will know, who you are

others can just confirm, what you have made.

you can teach, and give art classes, and value the effort of students.

but to a master, they would remain students.


 Keep him talking. Whatever you do, keep this man talking.

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perhaps i should just conclude, because we are trolling off the topic.

My point is that a person can become frustrated playing chess, because it cannot be controlled.

I can understand frustration, because it is an emotion.

the cause of this is triggered by a game.

People have different situations.

Some situations demand emotion within someone.

Those that don't care, would simply not understand.

I would say that it is good to give up on things, if the emotion it generate is not pleasant.

people can also say things that make a situation worse.

but always remember this:

You cannot make yourself angry, it is always others that cause anger within us.

we should ask ourselves, how would i feel if i was alone?

it is my view that if you are busy with your own thoughts, then you would be happy.

Other peoples views can upset our happiness

we have to understand why, and be sympathetic.

perhaps the right way would be to allow emotion, and to accept and leave it.

emotions is also strategy.

how to feel good

what to do

what not to do

happy thoughts

etc

Laughing

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fireballz wrote:

You cannot make yourself angry, it is always others that cause anger within us.


 The other way around, and we have an accord. You're responsible for your own state and you alone. There's no real way I can change your state, only you have that option.

If you're angry, sad, unhappy etc., you're liable to STAY in that state untill you decide to make a radical change in mindset, seeing as it doesn't serve you very well. Ever tried being upset about something in your present life, that you find disturbing and someone goes "you shouldn't be!"
What's your typical reaction to this person? Exactly! You think to yourself: "This person has absolutely no idea what I'm going through, this person ought to leave me alone with this rubbish"

Sure, I might be able to manipulate you into a - from my viewpoint - desired state, but that simply means that you're easily manipulated which again can be characterized as a personality flaw or at least a weakness in your personal foundation.

On a more popular basis, you're not responsible for 'next mans' state either. Doesn't mean you have to be an arse, obviously, just that... well... it's all based on personal choices. There's no such thing as an emotional remote control is there?

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....for a moment I thought mountain climbing  boring ...

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being influenced, or being manipulated, is tools of change.

change is not always for the worst..,but

most people are jealous of others.

It is because others seem more happy

someone might influence or manipulate someone else too feel the same way.

Happy people, can also influence and manipulate others, to make them feel the way they do.

if someone don't feel good, then it is because of others

everyone have power, to change emotion.

perhaps I struggle to balance my words with what I mean.

when do someone feel happy?

when someones need is understood, and receive what is needed.

but, someone have to say what they want, to be happy.

sometime, they scream it out.

then others get angry for shouting

someone have to listen

and understand.

to understand is  to help.

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chess is like pokeman, or at least that's what i thought when i watched that cartoon.

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Vulpesvictor wrote:
fireballz wrote:

You cannot make yourself angry, it is always others that cause anger within us.


 The other way around, and we have an accord. You're responsible for your own state and you alone. There's no real way I can change your state, only you have that option.

If you're angry, sad, unhappy etc., you're liable to STAY in that state untill you decide to make a radical change in mindset, seeing as it doesn't serve you very well. Ever tried being upset about something in your present life, that you find disturbing and someone goes "you shouldn't be!"
What's your typical reaction to this person? Exactly! You think to yourself: "This person has absolutely no idea what I'm going through, this person ought to leave me alone with this rubbish"

Sure, I might be able to manipulate you into a - from my viewpoint - desired state, but that simply means that you're easily manipulated which again can be characterized as a personality flaw or at least a weakness in your personal foundation.

On a more popular basis, you're not responsible for 'next mans' state either. Doesn't mean you have to be an arse, obviously, just that... well... it's all based on personal choices. There's no such thing as an emotional remote control is there?


well put

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Seeing as people rarely find themselves dissatisfied with being happy, there is no real individual problem in happiness - so I refrained from adressing this aspect. :)

Manipulation is an ever ongoing phenomenon in social psychology, granted. This is why I said that awful thing about being flawed in the first place; you have to CHOOSE what's best for you in any type of scenario. Not your sister, not your wife. You.

You seem quite adament on the viewpoint that state comes from ones exterior surroundings. I say you should always look for happiness within and regard your exterior surroundings as either helpful or not-so-helpful in these respects.

Inside is where the complete 'you' is to be found, you see. Not in your spouse, not in that wide screen telly, not within the frame of your newly aqquired mountainbike.

Happiness and other emotional directions are merely chemical processes (albeit they feel really real on a subjective basis and thank God for that! :D).
Those chemical processes take place... yep, you guessed it, within!

A thought is merely a thought. There's a strict dichotomy in terms of 'negative' and 'postitive' thoughts, you see: The human brain doesn't differentiate between quality and poor quality, it simply chews away at whatever you put in front of it. If you decide to not feed your mind at all, chances are your mind will find something useless to chew on  all by itself (humming the Benny Hill theme over and over again springs to mind)

Is it possible to switch the damned thing off? Yes. - At first momentarily* and with some work for prolonged periods of time.


*actually people meditate several times every day, it just happens rather quickly and in an unconscious fashion.

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woodshover wrote:


Yes!  You've re-discovered another known thing among chess players.  I've heard titled players advise before, get out while you can!  Don't end up like me, having spent countless hours on this game!

But everyone needs a hobby, and if you enjoy chess I don't think there's any harm.  If chess isn't for you though then I suppose the time wasted is doubled :)



 Titled players have actually said that?!


 Yes.  Morphy was the most famous that I know of, and I have read articles describing the phenomenon among more ordinary players.

 

I recently read a statement on these forums about how Chess was the only thing that kept a particular person sober.  I have no doubt it is true.  For a certain kind of individual, Chess could easily be an addiction.  That person had simply swapped one addiction for another.

Of course he would be better off if he could enjoy both Chess and alcohol in moderation, but not everyone's brain is wired for moderation, and at least Chess won't destroy his liver.

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Saying you're done with chess means that you're saying you'll never play another chess game as long as you live. Remember that when you play your next chess game. Remember that when you try to not play a guy who consistently brags about how good he is in the game and no one can beat him. Are you sure you won't be tempted to try and break his ego?

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Poetry corner!

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Yeah.  Imagine somebody watching a baseball game standing up and heading off, and then turning back to the crowd and saying, "I'm leaving this game, and I will never watch another baseball game as long as I live.  And let me tell all of you why..."

 


Well stated!  

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manicule wrote:
3. Chess wastes time. This is a big one for me. I have many interests - from painting to enjoying the outdoors. All these activities leave me with memories that are more fulfilling than anything chess can do.

I combine my interrests of painting and chess by drawing chess pictures :-)

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"sitck a knight fork in me...cause I'm done." ???

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MadamAnonymous wrote:
manicule wrote:
3. Chess wastes time. This is a big one for me. I have many interests - from painting to enjoying the outdoors. All these activities leave me with memories that are more fulfilling than anything chess can do.

I combine my interrests of painting and chess by drawing chess pictures :-)

 


I like your  humor and art.

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Meadmaker wrote:
woodshover wrote:


Yes!  You've re-discovered another known thing among chess players.  I've heard titled players advise before, get out while you can!  Don't end up like me, having spent countless hours on this game!

But everyone needs a hobby, and if you enjoy chess I don't think there's any harm.  If chess isn't for you though then I suppose the time wasted is doubled :)



 Titled players have actually said that?!


 Yes.  Morphy was the most famous that I know of, and I have read articles describing the phenomenon among more ordinary players.

 

I recently read a statement on these forums about how Chess was the only thing that kept a particular person sober.  I have no doubt it is true.  For a certain kind of individual, Chess could easily be an addiction.  That person had simply swapped one addiction for another.

Of course he would be better off if he could enjoy both Chess and alcohol in moderation, but not everyone's brain is wired for moderation, and at least Chess won't destroy his liver.


 I've abserved that exact same phenominon myself with people addicted to drugs, and alcohol, exchanging one addiction for another, except it's religion instead of chess.

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manicule wrote:

Over the 3 years I've been playing chess I've gathered a few things about it:

. . .


Over the 3 seconds I looked at your profile (1/0 rating 500 point higher than blitz rating) I've gather that you're a wood pusher Tongue out

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orangehonda wrote:
manicule wrote:

Over the 3 years I've been playing chess I've gathered a few things about it:

. . .


Over the 3 seconds I looked at your profile (1/0 rating 500 point higher than blitz rating) I've gather that you're a wood pusher


 Now you sound like a #2.

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I like reason number 8.