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Optimissed
Jun 10, 2022
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#21

I found that the opposition was worse in 10/0, even when it was still blitz, meaning that seperate sets within the blitz format had ratings that meant different things from each other. It could be that's why they changed it.

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ninjaswat
Jun 10, 2022
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#22
tygxc wrote:

Laws of chess:
"B.1
A ‘blitz’ game is one where all the moves must be completed in a fixed time of 10 minutes or less for each player; or the allotted time plus 60 times any increment is 10 minutes or less."
https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012018 
So yes: 10|0 is blitz and this site erroneously considers it rapid.

All time controls seem much shorter otb... You can do more moves online than otb in 10+0, which could make it rapid instead of blitz...

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eric0022
Jun 10, 2022
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#23
tygxc wrote:

Laws of chess:
"B.1
A ‘blitz’ game is one where all the moves must be completed in a fixed time of 10 minutes or less for each player; or the allotted time plus 60 times any increment is 10 minutes or less."
https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012018 
So yes: 10|0 is blitz and this site erroneously considers it rapid.

 

But then, playing online and playing FIDE rated tournaments are not exactly the same, With clocks and move notations being automatic here and human reaction time affecting over-the-board games, playing 10|0 over the board feels quicker than playing 10|0 online.

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eric0022
Jun 10, 2022
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#24
ninjaswat wrote:
tygxc wrote:

Laws of chess:
"B.1
A ‘blitz’ game is one where all the moves must be completed in a fixed time of 10 minutes or less for each player; or the allotted time plus 60 times any increment is 10 minutes or less."
https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012018 
So yes: 10|0 is blitz and this site erroneously considers it rapid.

All time controls seem much shorter otb... You can do more moves online than otb in 10+0, which could make it rapid instead of blitz...

 

Oops, I posted my post without first seeing that you have already included my point before I even came to this thread.

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Chuck639
Jun 10, 2022
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#25
Jai4chess wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I ended up playing 5/0 because no-one wanted to play at 5/1 or 5/2 and 5/5 is full of people who specialise in blocked positions with many moves, meaning that 5/5 can be a longer game than 10/0 and really boring and low level. The change wrecked all my ratings. Previously my rapid had been quite decent at over 1900 but due to the change I lost a lot of points. I'm a lot better at 15/0 than 10/0 and 5/0. Incidentally there's no real difference between 5/0 and 10/0 in terms of game quality. In one you get to think for two minutes and in the other for seven. It makes no difference so both are blitz in comparison to 15/0 or 20/0, where you can plan a game quite accurately.

I eventually decided to specialise in 5/5. It's taking a lot of adjustment but probably good for my chess and improving my ability, even though I lost a lot of rating.

I recently focused on 5/5 and 15/10 which helped with improvement.

I don’t see much difference with 5/5 vs 10/0 in terms of play quality.

Yes, in fact, 5|5 games can usually have a higher quality, especially at medium levels

The kicker for me is the 5 seconds increments equates to wins from winning positions I would otherwise lose to flagging in 10/0.

Between 5/5 and 15/10, I score a 82% accuracy rate but it’s more so that I don’t lose to flagging vs 10/0 that makes the game more enjoyable.

My personal opinion is 10/0 is rating manipulation. 

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Duck
Jun 10, 2022
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#26

For me personally, 10 min is the perfect rapid time control

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Chuck639
Jun 10, 2022
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#27
TiltedDonkey wrote:

10 minute is much slower than 5|5

1. Do the math on a 60 move game.

2. Do people utilize all 10/0 of their time?

3. In 5/5, I routinely run the opening, take my time in the middle game and tactics then time scramble to convert. 10/0, I lose to flagging haha. 

4. A 2000 10/0 vs 15/10 player are not on the same plane. Similarly, a 5/5 player is not on the same plane as a 3/0 player even though both are categorized as blitz players.

Its chess.com stuff 

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JVprof
Aug 7, 2022
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#28
TiltedDonkey wrote:

10 minute is much slower than 5|5

The thing is , 10|0 feels like you have more time than 5|5, but it's not really true. If you play 10|0 slower than a 5|5, then you get into a crazy time scramble at the end. Some people enjoy that; personally I don't. 

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TheNumberTwenty
Aug 7, 2022
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#29

10 minutes feels like it shouldn't be blitz or rapid, it's such an odd time control... But I think it's perfect for casual games. Not so fast that it just stresses you out but not so slow that you get bored.

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Chuck639
Aug 7, 2022
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#30

Whatever man.

I did an experiment today, played (10) rapid games mixed with 30/0, 15/10 and 10/0.

10/0, fast and sweet. No cheap tricks and stalls. Wiped the floor clean.

15/10 dude didn’t want to resign despite losing:

 

In 30/0, dude wasted my time in a lost position, and held everybody up for the 1st round of the tournament. like seriously, everybody is waiting on

 

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Optimissed
Aug 8, 2022
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#31

10 minutes is the slowest form of blitz. It has less in common with rapid, which starts at 15 minutes and goes to maybe 45 minutes. Rapid tournaments in the UK were mainly 30 minutes no increment. Then 25 mins became popular

I just think it's an unimportant mistake chess.com have made, by listening to the wrong people.

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Martin_Stahl
Aug 8, 2022
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#32
Jai4chess wrote:
64SquaresOfConfusion wrote:

The "other" well know site also lists 10mins as Rapid, with our without increment. 

While some other sites list 10mins as Blitz, with any increment games of 10mins plus increment listed as Rapid. 

 

According to FIDE rules, any time control + 60 times the increment, if less than or equal to 10 minutes, is blitz. This means chess.com also implement another time control incorrectly - 9|2 sec is according to FIDE, rapid, but according to chess.com, blitz.

 

The site doesn't have to categorize time controls the same as FIDE does. For the most part it's very similar, excluding the definition of 10|0 being considered RAPID here 

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justbefair
Aug 8, 2022
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#33

I think the change was done to help make meaningful distinctions between ratings possible without setting up a separate rating for each time control

According to site data, 10 0 is by far the most popular time control here.  5 0 and 3 0 are the second and third most popular. Having them all be "blitz" made it more difficult to make sense of what the blitz rating really meant.

Prior to the change, relatively few people played rapid games.

Moving 10 0 to rapid allows there to now be a more sensible distinction between blitz and rapid ratings.

/ Data on time control usage from Erik in 2017: