WHY is Bobby Fischer still respected in the chess community???
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Paul morphy's sacrifices were amazing. I wonder which other world champions have used like a sacrifice every game
deoxyriboneuclicacid wrote:
Morphy didn't sacrifice every game, it's just that they're remembered the most.
Paul morphy's sacrifices were amazing. I wonder which other world champions have used like a sacrifice every game
deoxyriboneuclicacid wrote:
Paul morphy's sacrifices were amazing. I wonder which other world champions have used like a sacrifice every game
GnrfFrtzl wrote:
Morphy didn't sacrifice every game, it's just that they're remembered the most.
LM writes:
Operative word is "like".
LadyMisil schreef:
I believe the victors of any war usually change historical facts here and there to suit their aims, usually justification for going to war. The United States nearly avoided WWII but one of the rallying cries was Hitler being a madman and that he would eventually exterminate everyone but the Aryans. Just because one side, Nazism, was wrong, doesn't make the other side right. But the victors need to "prove" their righteousness, sometimes with propaganda. Yes, deportations, death, and the war cannot be denied, but was there actual cyanide gassing at Auschwitz? I don't know for myself because I was not there. There may have been gassing of a different kind. There may have been no gassing, but mass executions instead. Like the My Lai massacre. Who knows? The only thing I conclude is that war makes for horrendous events and governments have a need to deal with those atrocities.
What's your profession?
If you were an architect, would I lecture you on how a house is built?
If you were a cook, would I tell you how to spice a chicken?
If you were a carpenter, would I tell you how to varnish wood?
Leave history to the people that studied (for) it.
You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, your reasoning why US entered the war made me chuckle, seriously.
Get off of my cloud miss!
Sep 6, 2016
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#45
Wow. WWII reduced to a meme and the Holocaust treated like a game of hide and seek.
LadyMisil schreef:
but was there actual cyanide gassing at Auschwitz? I don't know for myself because I was not there.
Why are you using this reasoning arbitrarily and not for all your other certainties? You would rid us from a lot of headaches if you only spoke of the events you actually witnessed. You seem very eager to apply this 'rule' only where it fits your shoe.
Sep 6, 2016
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#47
LadyMisil wrote:
I believe the victors of any war usually change historical facts here and there to suit their aims, usually justification for going to war. The United States nearly avoided WWII but one of the rallying cries was Hitler being a madman and that he would eventually exterminate everyone but the Aryans. Just because one side, Nazism, was wrong, doesn't make the other side right. But the victors need to "prove" their righteousness, sometimes with propaganda. Yes, deportations, death, and the war cannot be denied, but was there actual cyanide gassing at Auschwitz? I don't know for myself because I was not there. There may have been gassing of a different kind. There may have been no gassing, but mass executions instead. Like the My Lai massacre. Who knows? The only thing I conclude is that war makes for horrendous events and governments have a need to deal with those atrocities.
I want to ask you a few things
Are you really North Korean?
Do you really believe what you said?
Do you only believe in what you see?
What if the reality you see didn't exist?
Sep 6, 2016
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#48
Okay, let's settle one thing for sure. My aunt was at Auschwitz and was forced to work for Dr. Mengele. She didn't sleep for 60 years after the war. It really happened. 95% of my grandparents generation were "liquidated" by the Nazis. One way or another. It was a very bad thing that really happened. It didn't just affect one generation. Jewish people were afraid "people were out to kill them" for a long time after. Bobby Fischer's mother for instance. There are at least 2 films that explain his life. It is not uncommon for victims to wish they were on the other side. I am not qualified to explain Fischer's madness, but in the world of top flight players madness is not a rarity. There was the guy who's impenetrable "defense" didn't work out and jumped out the window, fictionalized in Nabakov's novel "The Defense." (Nabakov was a genius and also created chess puzzles)...
Fischer was an American hero during the "cold war" at a time when the Russians were ahead of the US in space exploration and we needed a hero. As a result he popularized chess for at least one generation of Americans, by beating the best representative of a team of Russians. He was self-taught. This alone is almost unimaginable, considering he couldn't call up old master games on the internet and play through them. He was a genius and like a handful of chess masters could play "blind" or multiple games.
His style (and I think most greats have a singular style) rather perfectly represents his personality! There is both the paranoid and the bully. The show-off and the hermit, in his actual moves and formations. The fortress he built for his king is unusual and inventive. The "immortal game" where he sacrifices his queen early to endlessly torture the opponent with minor pieces to break his will, is not just a great example of "windmilling" but an expression of his desire to "break the will of his opponent." He was always a gentleman at the chessboard, but the game of chess is almost an act of war, civilized to a strategy of moving symbolic pieces. He could be quite cruel, and I think this may reflect a side of his personality that felt hurt by his life circumstances. But above all, having taught himself to play, at the highest levels, he in some affect recreated, or at least reinvigorated the game itself. Love him or hate him his contribution to the game is immeasurable. I think, in part, this very site exists because of him. He is simply too important to be ignored.
B999999 wrote:
"... You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, your reasoning why US entered the war made me chuckle, seriously.
Get off of my cloud miss!"
The idea that Hitler was a madman and must be stopped was propaganda to stir the masses, not a true reason.
Sep 6, 2016
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#51
LadyMisil wrote:
B999999 wrote:
"... You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, your reasoning why US entered the war made me chuckle, seriously.
Get off of my cloud miss!"
The idea that Hitler was a madman and must be stopped was propaganda to stir the masses, not a true reason.
So, according to you, Hitler was a kind guy that loved Jews so much that he decided to send them to a better place.
LadyMisil wrote:
"but was there actual cyanide gassing at Auschwitz? I don't know for myself because I was not there."
B999999 wrote:
"Why are you using this reasoning arbitrarily and not for all your other certainties? You would rid us from a lot of headaches if you only spoke of the events you actually witnessed. You seem very eager to apply this 'rule' only where it fits your shoe."
To clarify, my not being there does not mean it did or did not happen. Only that I, not necessarily you or anyone else, do not know for sure what took place. That people died, there can be no doubt, but under what circumstances? Were the Nazi camp directors more hideous than other prisoner of war camps or just as inhumane as everyone else, US included?
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kingofshedinjas wrote:
"So, according to you, Hitler was a kind guy that loved Jews so much that he decided to send them to a better place."
This is your thought entirely, not mine. I already stated I am not pro-Nazi in my very first comment. I repeat that now.
Sep 6, 2016
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#55
LadyMisil wrote:
kingofshedinjas wrote:
"So, according to you, Hitler was a kind guy that loved Jews so much that he decided to send them to a better place."
This is your thought entirely, not mine. I already stated I am not pro-Nazi in my very first comment. I repeat that now.
We're not silly, little girl.
Sep 6, 2016
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#56
@ LadyMisil; saying Hitler is a good guy is like saying North Korea is a free country...
ChrisWainscott wrote:
We separate the person from the chess player.
Right. Wrong. It's just what we do.
Right. Wrong. It's just what we do.
Being human. It's what we do.
DDDEEE123 wrote:
" @ LadyMisil; saying Hitler is a good guy is like saying North Korea is a free country..."
Who said Hitler was a good guy? You? Not I.