Why is Chess way better than checkers?

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It’s subjective and that’s why one cannot challenge the question.  Can it be proven that chess is harder than checkers?  They are different games like badminton is to tennis.  

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GothicChessInventor wrote:

Well when I was not yet 20 years old, I designed the process to make a computer CPU out of Gallium Arsenide instead of Silicon. Seymour Cray purchased the intellectual property rights for it, and took another 6 years to build what became known as the Cray III Supercomputer. The chemical procedure to make Gallium Arsenide chips still bears my name:


http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Trice-Goyette-Technique

 

I eventually built my own supercomputer design firm, when I was much older. From 2010 until 2015 we made the fastest computers on earth. I sold the company in 2015. In 2016, I was ranked 3rd and Bill Gates was ranked 8th, according to LinkedIn:

https://www.jumpshot.com/real-linkedin-pulse-influencers-top-ten-contributors/

The first ever game I played in the Sicilian Defence was against Grandmaster Samuel Reshevsky. It was recently voted the 4th best game ever in the Najdorf variation.


https://thechessworld.com/articles/openings/7-greatest-games-on-sicilian-najdorf/

 

This is the part where you are going to say something about my intelligence? Or you can stop posting before you make a bigger fool out of yourself.

Wow.  Even after pointing out that you were just swinging your d**k around, you double down with even more nonsense. 

I.  Don't.  Care.  About.  You.  Or.  Your.  Accomplishments.

FWIW, though, I worked for Pacific Monolithics, you know, before they went under under like pretty much all the Gallium Arsenide chip design companies.  It's irrelevant.

As for making a fool of oneself...just go ahead and finish the job with those IQ test results and maybe a d**k pic?  You are not intelligent enough to realize your own ego leakage and how it actually makes you look, so there's clearly a cap on ability there.

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GothicChessInventor wrote:

(yawn)

Anyone else want to solve a "simple" checkers program? I am making some coffee. For my coffee table.

It's a shame someone of your obvious pedigree ended up working for an electronics salvage company...hang in there.

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Checkers is sufficiently complex game to play, analyse and enjoy. So is backgammon. There are also a couple of beautifully convoluted games in mancala family (the best of them being probably oware, basically a multi-layered zugzwang game). I am bad at all of them. Yet somwhow, for all their qualities, I am drawn rather towards games that beside interesting gameplay have some cultural resonance, history of competition and research, of mavericks and masters, hundreds of years of proven attaction: chess, go, shogi (in which I suck the most).

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Shadow_Dragon_86 wrote:

I think checkers has been solved already, sadly.

Lol!

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GothicChessInventor escribió:

Nobody has provided a solution for my 9-piece endgame composition where I simply ask for the best move. Therefore I say none of what the chess players have said has any merit. They can't solve one position in checkers. Their opinions are not credible.

And your point is? There are plenty of endgame positions in chess where neither a player or a computer can find a suitable winning line, this is the reason why we have endgame tablebases.

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Why keep on about the puzzle Gothic? Am sure a casual checkers player... could not solve a tough sicilian puzzle?

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I do think we are getting a little off topic.  It doesn’t matter if checkers is more complex or if checker players are more intelligent or if it is a more interesting game.   Personally I like both.

It is a different game that just happens to use the same board (some variants anyway) and so gets compared to chess.  

I don’t understand why chess players feel the need to denigrate it as a game.    How many forums here are there about chess dominating other games????

Just accept that checkers is a great game and enjoyed by many of us and leave it alone.     There is no need for chess players to prove any superiority because you can’t.

if you do play both join our club which is growing from strength to strength and shows that there are many players of both here they are just hidden and silent.  

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I thought checkers was a game like chess but then with only Bishops and pawns.

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RubenHogenhout wrote:

I thought checkers was a game like chess but then with only Bishops and pawns.

No.   Not at all.  It is a different game that requires different thinking to chess.    There are no bishops and no pawns.  :-).   

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GothicChessInventor escribió:

The first point: The only software program on planet earth that can solve this is the one that I wrote. What is needed, technology-wise, is a 9-piece tablebase with Distance To Win, and I solved this over a long stretch of time. 

Great for you, that still doesn't prove anything other than the (relative) popularity of chess.

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So what's the idea with Gothic Chess?

Do you want to...

Replace classic Chess

Run alongside classic, but as more popular variant

Run alongside classic, as a sizeable minority? 

And, not being rude, why do you think Gothic hasn't taken on yet?

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Am fascinated by the horse on wheels...

So if this dude move like knight and rook... is he more powerful than queen?!

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Lion_XVI escribió:

Am fascinated by the horse on wheels...

So if this dude move like knight and rook... is he more powerful than queen?!

I don't think so, the knight is less powerful than the bishop in general.

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Fun fact: when you check in checkers you say "checkers" not "chess" and thats the reason for the two games. Names. 

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Bryggerier wrote:

Fun fact: when you check in checkers you say "checkers" not "chess" and thats the reason for the two games. Names. 

There is NO check in checkers.  😎😎😎😎😎😎

And Checkers is called Draughts in some parts of the world and different also in other languages.  

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Because all the pieces in checkers move exactly the same way, unlike chess. Chess is extremely complex because it has so many different pieces and a harder goal.

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EndgameStudier wrote:

Because all the pieces in checkers move exactly the same way, unlike chess. Chess is extremely complex because it has so many different pieces and a harder goal.

Wrong again.  And you don’t understand the game.  Checkers is as just as difficult to win at as chess but then I do play GMs in checkers and I don’t in chess.

 

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GothicChessInventor schreef:

The first point: The only software program on planet earth that can solve this is the one that I wrote. What is needed, technology-wise, is a 9-piece tablebase with Distance To Win, and I solved this over a long stretch of time. 

 

The winning move is 21-25! and the red checker cannot be captured with 16-12? or else red throws away a king with 25-22!! and now white to move has two jumps, both of which lose.

Taking the king: 18x25 1-6! 12x3 6-10 14x7 2x11x18 and white to move loses the 4-king endgame in 14 more moves since red has "the opposition."

 

Taking the checker:  12x3 1-6! 18x25 6-10 and you get the same position.

 

My point is this: Checkers is more complex than most people realize. And everyone on here that posted is included in that group. I won the argument. Nobody could even find the first winning move for this position. The solution required thinking more deeply than was possible, and for this reason, I say, although the moves in checkers may be simple, the play of the game is not. 

 

I thougt with checkers take is obligated thus for example the dam on 21 can jump to 12 taking three dams. 10, 19, 12 is a take as I knew it. And after that the dam on 18 must take to 32. Then three dams and a stone against a dam can win I suppose.

 

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Kookaburrra wrote:
EndgameStudier wrote:

Because all the pieces in checkers move exactly the same way, unlike chess. Chess is extremely complex because it has so many different pieces and a harder goal.

Wrong again.  And you don’t understand the game.  Checkers is as just as difficult to win at as chess but then I do play GMs in checkers and I don’t in chess.

 

They may both be extremely hard to win, but that doesn't mean chess is less complex. Checkers was already solved by computers over an 18 year period and proven to be a draw. Chess remains unsolved, and the games are more interesting.