Why is Chess way better than checkers?

Yeah... that for me is the difference... the variety of piece and the ways they move give Chess that extra character. 

A pitty if not was ment this double stones are dams and that the dams are just stones. I think you have to be exact.

But something else. Lose from the fact that checkers is for me very boring in comparison with chess I like to expres that I think the notation for checkers is very illogical this numering from the right corner with numbers till the end in the upper left corner.
Who did thinking out this? And therefore I think this would be far more logical.   A t/m E for the lines and then 1 t/m 10 for the rows. Because only the dark sqaures take part of the game two lines can count as one. Like this.

You didn't win the argument. You demonstrated that in this forum on a chess site, no one successfully solved a difficult checkers problem. Most of them struggle with moderate chess problems, too. But they are correct that chess is far more complex than checkers.

"Checkers is more complex than most people realize."

In logic, that's called a straw man. You didn't win the argument because you don't have an argument.

I haven't played checkers seriously ever. I've only played it the way I played chess when I was 8. That is, I play it without skill or real understanding. I recognize that solving checkers can be an interesting problem for programmers. If you weren't so bellicose, maybe you could say something interesting from your experience that would engage your readers here. Frankly, I find your experience interesting, but your manner of talking about it keeps me from reading about it.

So it seems that you are creating zugzwang. Do checkers players use that term?

Unless you actually play both I don’t think you know the intricacies of checkers.  And can’t really comment and if you do it is a comment it is with no basis of knowledge.

And in some variants of checkers you must take the jump which is the maximum if there is a choice.  This is definitely true for 10x10 international Checkers.  And that can be used strategically.  Checkers is a rich game with many regional variants although many of us specialise in a particular variant.  

You are just speaking here of 8x8 English rules checkers which is my personal favourite and the most challenging IMO.    I have also been dabbling in Italian, 10x10 and Turkish and Armenian which is very different.

This is the setup for Turkish and Armenian the difference being in Armenian checkers can move diagonally and in Turkish only forward and side.

All checker players wish is some respect and not to be attacked and get told that what we play is a simple game.  It isn’t.  

Winning?  Only if you are Charlie Sheen...

You backed off your initial claim that Checkers is more complex than Chess, retreated to a no-brainer impossible-to-argue-against position of "Checkers is more complex than people realize" which nobody argued against in the first place, then set up a test that only applies to your retreated position, not your initial claim, then unilaterally declared that you won the argument that nobody else was arguing against,  That's a lot of contortions just to protect your ego...

I play both and both are complex games of skill and I don’t think they should be compared.  They are different games.  

No one compares chess to GO or other games.  So why pick on checkers.  Why is there such a fascination by chess players to need to feel superior to someone and it appears to be checker players they like to harass.  

Don’t discriminate and don’t give opinions on a game you know at only a very superficial level.

I was not referring to that crap at all.  That came later, and is superfluous anyway...nobody was arguing the points that you deigned to mansplain to all of us here.

Page 1:  "That's why it's a more difficult game. "

You were referring to Checkers over Chess.  And, lest you try to also retreat from that position by citing ambiguity, you also tossed this out on page 1:

"I promise you, checkers is harder to play in the endgame"

...which somebody that cares can argue, but it makes it quite clear that your first quote is flatly declaring checkers a more difficult game than chess...not simply that "Checkers is more complex than people realize".

Well, at least you got to post every personal article, link, and photo that gives you some sense of self-worth in the space of 7 pages...that's something I guess.

There is no point in arguing specific points within the game of checkers.  My point is leave us alone, stop discriminating.  These people @GothicChessInventor are such they will always want to feel superior and there is no point in arguing with them.   They have closed minds.  

And I never listen to such opinions from people except those who know both games and know them well and can actually give an informed opinion.   These people aren’t in this group.  

They give views of ignorance.  

I consider it crap coming from you, in this context, not in any absolute sense.  You threw it against a wall like spaghetti and hoped it would stick to something.  I know, too subtle a distinction to understand..."What, there's a difference between my Self and the Universe as a whole?".

Go back and peruse the Grand Poo-Bah picture again.  If you ever were or are still sitting on $15 million free and clear, I'll eat my hat.  More likely:  you're a crackpot with dementia.  My father (also a prominent member of the Computer Science community with a Wall Street Journal article to prove it just like you) is now convinced that he helped invent the Internet and that it was stolen from him, and that Bill Gates personally destroyed his career, so that's one level of crazy beyond your "this Linked In 'how many people read whose posts' tally makes me better than Bill Gates because I'm at #3 and he's at #8".  But I can read the signs...you're on your way.  My father can't even figure out a TV remote anymore, and he once wrote AT&T's billing system by himself, in assembly language...where are you at? 

Actually successful and self-actualized people don't feel the need to spew their ego/insecurity all over a thread like this, so...*something* happened.

Yes, it does. But it does not prove anything. You have been repeating your first point several times, and we all know. Don't over react. Your acting like we are all against you, while we are not. Oh, wait. We're "Chess snobs"

How would you feel if someone attacked chess.  It is exactly the same for checker players.  

If you play both and enjoy playing both join our club and we will prove the only way possible to chess players that we are an intelligent group of people who play 2 skilful intellectual games.  And enjoy it and have fun and don’t put any group down.  Unlike some here.

If you can point out any other "down with checkers" threads, go for it (they must be started by a chess player and specifically to denigrate checkers, though, not just a discussion that broke out when a chess player made some offhand comment and a checkers player went off in response). 

This is pretty much a non-issue.  Good publicity for your club, though?

The level of cringe in this thread is crazy yet somehow entertaining. I can't resist calling the quote above out though. 

@kookaburrra You do understand that you have a very superficial understanding of the game of chess though, right? If you do, then you can see how ridiculous what you said is.  It would officially mute this whole thread...

I don't have anything against checkers. I did when I was a kid, but I wasn't playing where you have to take your jumps. That alone changes the whole aspect of the game and makes it rather challenging. I don't see the beauty of the combinations or creativity as equal between these 2 games though, at least in the variant I play. It would be worth hearing how people think I'm wrong on that though. I just don't see it. They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Simple pieces do NOT mean simple games. I regularly beat a Taiwanese fellow dorm student in chess when we were in graduate school at IIT.  One day he said, "Let me teach you another game. It's called 'Go.'"

I thought it would be a simple game because there was big board and bunch of identical stones for each side.  It proved to be very complex!  The same with checkers.

Well checkers is butt Ugly, fact.

Non compulsory jumps checkers is not considered a valid variant of checkers.   It is always a win for the first player if that player is competent.  

And I play both and play crossboard in both.   And think I have a reasonable understanding of both games.  I also tried learning go and intend to at some point but it is also a game which requires a lifetime to master and is complex.  Decided to learn chess first.  

Thanks Lion for your contribution.  :-).  

Always amusing 

Welcome.

That is what I was saying. The disrespect I had for checkers was due to arrogance on how to actually play. 

"Reasonable understanding" is subjective to a certain extent but inevitably wrong. It can't be said that we make moves for the right reasons in chess, just as it can't be said that I make moves for the right reasons in checkers. 

Have a master analyze a game that you thought you played well. The very superficial understanding will become very clear then probably in both chess and checkers. 

The superficial understanding is shared by many and overcome by few. That is part of what makes both games appealing in the first place. They are games that offer life-long learning.

If we amend the quote to say "Don't discriminate." then it is fine. The other bit is quite nonsensical.