Why is my rating dropping?

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That's the way it goes: sometimes you play lots of games against people better than you and sometimes lots against people you are better than. And sometimes we blunder more than others. If you keep studying and keep playing your play will improve and your rating will go up with it.

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"..., you have to make a decision: have tons of fun playing blitz (without learning much), or be serious and play with longer time controls so you can actually think.

One isn’t better than another. Having fun playing bullet is great stuff, while 3-0 and 5-0 are also ways to get your pulse pounding and blood pressure leaping off the charts. But will you become a good player? Most likely not.

Of course, you can do both (long and fast games), ..." - IM Jeremy Silman (June 9, 2016)

https://www.chess.com/article/view/longer-time-controls-are-more-instructive

Possibly of interest:
Simple Attacking Plans by Fred Wilson (2012)https://web.archive.org/web/20140708090402/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review874.pdf
http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Simple-Attacking-Plans-77p3731.htm
Logical Chess: Move by Move by Irving Chernev (1957)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708104437/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/logichess.pdf
The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played by Irving Chernev (1965)
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/most-instructive-games-of-chess-ever-played/
Winning Chess by Irving Chernev and Fred Reinfeld (1948)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093415/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review919.pdf
Back to Basics: Tactics by Dan Heisman (2007)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708233537/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review585.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/book-review-back-to-basics-tactics
Discovering Chess Openings by GM John Emms (2006)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
Openings for Amateurs by Pete Tamburro (2014)
http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2014/05/review-of-pete-tamburros-openings-for.html
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/openings-for-amateurs/
https://www.mongoosepress.com/catalog/excerpts/openings_amateurs.pdf
Chess Endgames for Kids by Karsten Müller (2015)
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/chess-endgames-for-kids/
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Chess_Endgames_for_Kids.pdf
A Guide to Chess Improvement by Dan Heisman (2010)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708105628/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review781.pdf
Studying Chess Made Easy by Andrew Soltis (2009)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708090448/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review750.pdf
Seirawan stuff:
http://seagaard.dk/review/eng/bo_beginner/ev_winning_chess.asp?KATID=BO&ID=BO-Beginner
http://www.nystar.com/tamarkin/review1.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/book-review-winning-chess-endings
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708092617/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review560.pdf

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Update 1 month later and my rating is back to 1700 +  Thats a 300 point increase. That’s the way it goes I guess. Sometimes you slump but eventually your strength proves true and you get your rating back. Unless you are an older player and just no longer have the energy to play like you used to. I have been regularly studying tactics and endgame. Hopefully I can get to 1800 soon.

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DanCruzNYC wrote:

Update 1 month later and my rating is back to 1700 +  Thats a 300 point increase. That’s the way it goes I guess. Sometimes you slump but eventually your strength proves true and you get your rating back. Unless you are an older player and just no longer have the energy to play like you used to. I have been regularly studying tactics and endgame. Hopefully I can get to 1800 soon.

 

How did you force yourself to see the board faster and thus play faster?

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SeniorPatzer wrote:

How did you force yourself to see the board faster and thus play faster?

 I don't think I did force myself to do anything. I feel like its just one of those things sometimes you go into a funk and don't play up to your strength. Whatever your rating is, normally you would expect to win around 50% of your games with players of equal strength. Sometimes you outperform and sometimes you underperform. Thats chess. But then again there could be other factors effecting you outside of just the chess board. For example not getting enough sleep. Not playing till 1 or 2 in the morning when you need rest. For most people this will hurt more then it helps. After my most recent slump I spent a few days just practicing puzzles and making sure I wasn't playing for too long or too late in the night. Also try not to think of the result just think of causing your opponent problems. Even in a much worse position if you make things complicated you can make a swindle. 

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First of all, ELO is a statistical measure. And even if it knew your rating precisely (it doesn't), your rating would fluctuate. Say you have a 50% chance of beating someone. If all you do is play that person, you would expect your average rating to equal theirs at any given time. But you have a 1 in 16 chance of losing 4 games in a row. If you do, your rating will drop for a while. Likewise you have a 1 in 16 chance of winning 4 games in a row. When you do, you will probably tell yourself, "I've gotten better than so-and-so". Your rating rises. But in reality, you are the same strength you were.

 

Second, when you do learn something new, it often takes time to integrate it into what you are doing. It is not uncommon for you to actually get worse for a while before getting better. Example: Perhaps, you are more of a positional instead of tactical player. But you play tactical openings. You decide to switch your opening repertoire to stuff that is more closed and positional. Long term, this is probably a good move. In the short run, it is likely to hurt your results, because you are far more familiar with your old openings.

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DanCruzNYC wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:

How did you force yourself to see the board faster and thus play faster?

 I don't think I did force myself to do anything. I feel like its just one of those things sometimes you go into a funk and don't play up to your strength. Whatever your rating is, normally you would expect to win around 50% of your games with players of equal strength. Sometimes you outperform and sometimes you underperform. Thats chess. But then again there could be other factors effecting you outside of just the chess board. For example not getting enough sleep. Not playing till 1 or 2 in the morning when you need rest. For most people this will hurt more then it helps. After my most recent slump I spent a few days just practicing puzzles and making sure I wasn't playing for too long or too late in the night. Also try not to think of the result just think of causing your opponent problems. Even in a much worse position if you make things complicated you can make a swindle. 

 

That's helpful.  Deep thanks for describing it.

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I am playing really badly at the moment and losing game after game. I've never played so badly in my entire life, but I can't really blame myself. This site is extremely annoying to use with a terrible match-up system, an elitist mindset with extremely fast players, and there are just way too many sandbaggers and cheaters. This site is a complete joke and you shouldn't take it seriously whatsoever. Just try to play the best chess you can.

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I've just drop from 1730 (my top) to 1550 in one day loosing with opponents which are normaly easy for me. I hate myself when it happens. I'm trynig to get back. If i try hard results are worse. Mostely i got advantage and loosing on time. I cant focus on anything else besides chess, loosing time dropping my ranking all day long. I love that game usually but hate at those moments. It's addiction. Easy to say stop doing it.

Avatar of Rubempre1

Have you been studying lately?  I've heard that sometimes when learning more/improving via study your play will suffer as you start trying to apply the new ideas/concepts you've learned.  Not to worry though, things will balance themselves out.

P.S.  didn't realize this thread was old, but maybe my comment can still help.

Avatar of baribaldini

i am studing Nakamura youtube chanel constantely. (also Rosens and Bartholomews) .. studing is to big word for that, more precisely watching. It gives me ideas at will to play better. When im in good mood i play strong and not blundering, and when i start to play bad it brings me so down i play worse and worse. Why i cant stop?

 

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I was searching in internet is anybody feel the same as crap like me when got loosing streak in chess. My friends tell me dont worry it's just a game, but in so pissed when i got this. It can ruined my mood for an all day (or more grin.png ). Damn that chess - hate it.

 

Avatar of Colby-Covington

It's a very distinct psychological state when you're on a losing streak. You know you should stop, but you're telling yourself this next one I'm gonna win. "ok just one more!" it's like a gambler's mentality.😂

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You're rated 1600 bro, just give it time. But losing streaks happen to everybody

Avatar of MammalBrain

Oppenents with  similar ratings sometimes play well and other times below par for  their  rating. So winning or losing  doesn't always  reflect how well I played..  Hitting the  analysis gives a good  indications. I sometimes get addicted to playing, and then after I lose I want to play - for the not so great reason : to make a comeback. But unless calm down and try harder , and think as fast and  deep as I'm capable I may get on a  losing  streak ...   Taking a  Blitz break and  playing  15/10 is good to get me to calm dow..n and not be  hasty. Other times I need the Blitz to get that jolt and   wake up

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KeSetoKaiba wrote:

Just to clarify, I am not one of those people who take "ratings" extremely seriously; I do however, pay attention to it as it is a good way to measure improvement. I am constantly trying to improve at chess, specifically because most of my friends who play chess are rated between 1500 and 1900 while I am currently perhaps only a 1450-ish player.

However, lately I have been dropping quite a bit rating-wise and feeling like I am "missing everything" at times. Before then I have been generally improving (of course with the common fluctuations ratings bring), but recently it is like I am another person- and not for the better. Frustratingly, I do not feel as if I have been doing anything different (from amount played, to openings, to tactics etc.) Why is my rating dropping? Likewise, how can I reverse the current trend, and begin improving again?

A few days ago I was even up to 1498 for a short while, but slowly after have dropped to about 1360. I play 10 minute blitz chess, so perhaps rating fluctuates more in that than daily games - but time controls are not the problem as I have always (now still) played OTB games with much longer time controls too.

https://www.chess.com/member/kesetokaiba viewing the past 90 days on the graph says it all.

Is this a slump, a weird phenomenon, or am I over-reacting to blitz rating fluctuations?

Furthermore, how can I return to going up in rating? I am not greatly stressed over the results of a game, but I do want to improve - even if that means long term correct improving. Any thoughts from anyone is welcome

 

Avatar of sbtix2004

I've lost 150+ points off my blitz rating. I lose and I get so sour... that I play right away.... lose... get sour.... play again right away...lose...

Avatar of kindaspongey

"... Sure, fast games are fine for practicing openings (not the most important part of the game for most players) and possibly developing decent board vision and tactical 'shots', but the kind of thinking it takes to plan, evaluate, play long endgames, and find deep combinations is just not possible in quick chess. … for serious improvement ... consistently play many slow games to practice good thinking habits. ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2002)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627052239/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman16.pdf

Avatar of santabaldwin

Wow, your blitz rating is really high now. Great job!

Avatar of keep1teasy

I remember when I hit 1604 for the first time- I decided to push my luck with some 3 mins (I play 10 mins usually).

After losing some, I would panic and try to get my rating back up. But I would lose because of lack of attention. I ended up dropping back down to 1450 and took several months to get back up to 1600 again. 

Now when I get mad I only play around five 3min games at max lol