I'm now in a Machgielis Euwe trance. Going to play a game and see if I have world champion level skills.
Why is Nezhetdinov not so famous?
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#21
That was a lot digging, bunny 🐰(links)
Are you on your day off,
May 7, 2018
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#26
every day is a day off ;-) but no, it's pretty easy to cut & paste a search result.
May 7, 2018
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#27
@Bonthecat, I agree, Nezhmetdinov had a great record against World Champions. The question wasn't about how good Nezhmetdinov was though, the question was why isn't he better remembered.
For me, the answer is that he's remembered extremely well considering the comments I made. There are World Champion Candidates who are not remembered as well as Nezhmetdinov.
May 7, 2018
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#28
There are a lot of really terrific players who seem to be overlooked or underappreciated at least in general conversations. WCs and select players not only garner not the bulk of attention, but because of that they tend to become the historic players people recognize. One of my favorite players, Svetozar Gligoric, is seldom mentioned. Many Soviet players, although among the strongest in the world at the time, are almost never mentioned. Look at Lev Polugaevsky, Leonid Stain, Efim Geller, Alexander Beliavsky or even non-Soviets such as Ulf Andersson, Jan Timmman or Bent Larsen, just to name some of the more prominent but often ignored yet extremely skilled players. Historic women players are even more stratified.
SmyslovFan escreveu:
@Bonthecat, I agree, Nezhmetdinov had a great record against World Champions. The question wasn't about how good Nezhmetdinov was though, the question was why isn't he better remembered.
For me, the answer is that he's remembered extremely well considering the comments I made. There are World Champion Candidates who are not remembered as well as Nezhmetdinov.
Apologies, I made my point in a very clumsy and roundabout way (somene else wondered why he wasn't a GM): He's not better known because he lived in the Soviet Union. Nezhmetdinov was a very good player, but he had to compete against most of the the World top 30 when he himself had already passed his zenith. And as I never tire of repeating ;-), the stronger you get the more 'relative' your weaknesses become. Had he been born in any other country outside the Soviet Union, he would have played zonals and interzonals throughout the 1950s and 1960s, but as a player from the Soviet Union, he hardly ever got the chance to play outside his own country. There are many such examples, for instance Ratmir Kholmov (a heavy drinker, several times punished for 'breaching sporting discipline') and Georgy Ilivitsky. The latter is an especially fascinating case. He finished third equal in the 1955 Soviet Championship (behind Geller and Petrosian, and equal on points with Smyslov, Spassky, and Botvinnik), played for the Soviet Union in their match against Hungary at Budapest, before finishing equal 10th with Pachman at the Gothenburg Interzonal in 1955, merely half a point behind Spassky (who qualified for the Amsterdam Candidates Tournament in 1956). He then defeated Pachman 3½-2½ in the Candidates Reserve playoff. After that, he failed to qualify for the Soviet Championships in 1956 and 1957, and virtually vanishes without a trace as a chess player for us in the West. He continues to play, but apart from a creditable showing at the Chigorin Memorial in Sochi in 1965 (8/15, Spassky and Unzicker won), he never took part in any other international events. He appears to have suffered from depression.
Totally agree, batgirl and mickynj!
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Strangemover wrote:
Here is another quote: 'Players die, tournaments are forgotten, but the works of great artists are left behind them to live in for ever in memory of their creators.' Mikhail Tal on Nezhmetdinov in Learn from the Grandmasters.
You tried showing off this name and this quote in Hangman but I came up with another world champion... Find out who in the forum! ( Or maybe Strangemover would put the name here.)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708085621/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review260.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708100838/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review343.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7550.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093233/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review283.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708102307/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review366.pdf
https://www.everymanchess.com/downloadable/download/linkSample/link_id/255/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708105402/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/uncomp.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7725.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093410/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review812.pdf
http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Grandmaster-Chess-Strategy-79p3688.htm
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9062a.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7533.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/995.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7488.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/2790.pdf
May 8, 2018
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HolographWars wrote:
Strangemover wrote:
Here is another quote: 'Players die, tournaments are forgotten, but the works of great artists are left behind them to live in for ever in memory of their creators.' Mikhail Tal on Nezhmetdinov in Learn from the Grandmasters.
You tried showing off this name and this quote in Hangman but I came up with another world champion... Find out who in the forum! ( Or maybe Strangemover would put the name here.)
Ah Kazimdzhanov-gate?
JamesColeman escreveu:
@Batgirl - ‘Leonid Stain’ really left his mark on chess history...😉
May 8, 2018
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#36
JamesColeman wrote:
@Batgirl - ‘Leonid Stain’ really left his mark on chess history...😉
Stein was indelible.
May 8, 2018
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#37
@Mickynj, the fact that this thread exists, that there are so many references to Nezhmetdinov, and that Svidler was able to tell stories about him all show that Nezhmetdinov may be the most famous IM in chess history. That's the opposite of what this thread claims!
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I just noticed that my computer autocorrects the name to Nezmetdinov.
May 8, 2018
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#38
Other famous IMs:
Emory Tate
Igor Ivanov (who very late in life earned the GM title)
Mark Dvoretsky
Jeremy Silman
John Watson
But those last three are mostly famous as authors and trainers.
May 8, 2018
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#39
OldPatzerMike написал:
tired_of_ignorance wrote:
And all the same there're lots of chess players who deserve to be famous but many people know nothing about them or know very little. One of them for instance is Genrikh Chepukaitis.
Another is the Slovenian GM Albin Planinc. He burst into the world of big time chess at age 25 when, as an untitled player, he won a major tournament in Ljubljana ahead of 10 GMs and 2 IMs. Unlike the other players, he couldn't prepare between rounds: he had to work his shift at the bicycle factory where he was employed.
Planinc was a highly inventive and imaginative player. He was, however, beset by mental illness and tragically spent the last years of his life in a mental institution. Like Fischer, Steinitz, and Staunton, he died at the age of 64.
That's what I'm talking about. But judging by what has been said here I can say Nezhmetdinov isn't that much unknown.
i almost never hear about euwe, maybe because he was also a president max.
Perhaps because despite his name containing only 4 letters nobody knows how to pronounce it.
but that's covered even on youtube