Why is this simple tactic SO counterintuitive?

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DoYouLikeCurry

Puzzle from a game I played recently against a strong opponent (2037). The game ended in a draw (mostly because endgames are hard!) but I had a few moments where I was winning. The biggest of which was this moment:

I missed the move in this position, and I hope you'll see why! Although not a difficult move to find per se, it was a little too counterintuitive for me to spend any time looking at it in a rapid game. Enough hints - let me know what you think!

KeSetoKaiba

I solved it within a few seconds (...e4 with the threat of fxe4 ...Qf2+ Kh3 ...Rf3+ to win the white queen). It's probably counterintuitive for you because ...e4 seemingly hangs the f4 rook, but the threat to the queen is stronger. Mentally, you may not be looking at hanging the only attacking piece near their exposed king. Even if you can work things out and find the ...e4 move, it has to at least be on your radar of a candidate move if you are to find this.

DoYouLikeCurry
KeSetoKaiba wrote:

I solved it within a few seconds (...e4 with the threat of fxe4 ...Qf2+ Kh3 ...Rf3+ to win the white queen). It's probably counterintuitive for you because ...e4 seemingly hangs the f4 rook, but the threat to the queen is stronger. Mentally, you may not be looking at hanging the only attacking piece near their exposed king. Even if you can work things out and find the ...e4 move, it has to at least be on your radar of a candidate move if you are to find this.

Well exactly - and this is the thing, it’s a lot easier to find the tactic in a static position! When faced with the position in context and not knowing that tactic was there it was not an immediate candidate move and in shorter time formats that matters a lot. I was definitely more concerned with the counterplay against my own king…

KeSetoKaiba

Yes. That's true too. The context and psychological state of the game definitely impact the players. There's been times I played moves that were confusing and then I sleep and get up the next morning and my analysis has me instantly spotting what was so confusing when I was tired and fatigued from the game. xD

DoYouLikeCurry
KeSetoKaiba wrote:

Yes. That's true too. The context and psychological state of the game definitely impact the players. There's been times I played moves that were confusing and then I sleep and get up the next morning and my analysis has me instantly spotting what was so confusing when I was tired and fatigued from the game. xD

Haha did that happen in the one game we have against each other?

Elroch
DoYouLikeCurry wrote:

Puzzle from a game I played recently against a strong opponent (2037). The game ended in a draw (mostly because endgames are hard!) but I had a few moments where I was winning. The biggest of which was this moment:

 
I missed the move in this position, and I hope you'll see why! Although not a difficult move to find per se, it was a little too counterintuitive for me to spend any time looking at it in a rapid game. Enough hints - let me know what you think!

I can see that it's missable. Took me about 10 seconds.

mikewier

This shows one of the problems of training too much with puzzles. During a game, no one is there to tap you on the shoulder to say that a tactical trick is available.

Many coaches encourage players to get in the habit of looking first at forcing moves: checks, captures, threats. If you had enough time to do this, you should find the winning move. However, your opponent has a big threat. If time was short, it would be natural to defend against the threatened Qxh7.

Despair
DoYouLikeCurry wrote:

Puzzle from a game I played recently against a strong opponent (2037). The game ended in a draw (mostly because endgames are hard!) but I had a few moments where I was winning. The biggest of which was this moment:

 
I missed the move in this position, and I hope you'll see why! Although not a difficult move to find per se, it was a little too counterintuitive for me to spend any time looking at it in a rapid game. Enough hints - let me know what you think!

oh youre active on forums again nice

DoYouLikeCurry
mikewier wrote:

This shows one of the problems of training too much with puzzles. During a game, no one is there to tap you on the shoulder to say that a tactical trick is available.

Many coaches encourage players to get in the habit of looking first at forcing moves: checks, captures, threats. If you had enough time to do this, you should find the winning move. However, your opponent has a big threat. If time was short, it would be natural to defend against the threatened Qxh7.

100%! I think this highlights that so well - the idea is so simple once you find it and know it’s there to be found, but randomly pushing that pawn in a way that feels like it hangs three things simultaneously is just not an intuitive move in a game situation.

medelpad
I mean you do have to find some accurate moves afterwards to really keep the advantage
DoYouLikeCurry
medelpad wrote:
I mean you do have to find some accurate moves afterwards to really keep the advantage

Not particularly - after f takes and qf2+ we’re going to at least pick up the queen