Looking at the actual game in the database (http://www.365chess.com/view_game.php?g=2477489), I have to wonder if the result is correct, even if white has only half of his pieces developed.
If you use a database that allows you to do this, you may want to restrict it to higher level games.
It's a strange game. Not sure how black won, seems like an error.
database mistakes are pretty common, specially in lower quality databases. (i can't speak anything about the quality or lack thereof on this particular one)
that said, if black actually won that game, it must have been due to a heart attack or something. if a position is clearly dead lost but it says that the worse side won, it's usually safe to go with your common sense and assume that the recorded result is mistaken.
"Every game" seems to be only one
http://www.365chess.com/view_game.php?g=2477489
And that game seems very unreliable since black captured one pawn while white captured 2 rooks, 2 bishops, 1 knight and 2 pawns and black was just dead lost in the final position stating that black won.
After 4...Qe7 it's quite amazing black somehow managed to win 15,9%, but if someone looks at that statistic and think it's worth playing it might not be the brightest thing to do.
http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=8&n=2570&ms=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bc4.Nf6.Ng5&ns=3.5.5.6.80.412.2570
edit: I'm so slow I hadn't seen the three posts above before making this comment.
Hey everyone, I see this thread of mine has been revived. I was wondering if anyone here would also be interested in posting on my recent thread in the endgame study forum which as of now has no replies.
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/endgames/questions-about-opposition-in-the-van-nyevelt-position
White to move is winning in that position via taking the opposition and advancing towards and capturing the g pawn. Advancing the king first and pushing the h pawn then capturing the g pawn doesn't work because the black king can retake opposition on the g file and prevent the remaining pawn from queening. What I'm wondering is, what is white's best way to go about taking this opposition and advancing towards the g pawn? Should the virtual opposition be taken or the direct distant opposition? In a situation like this, how exactly does someone "covert" their opposition advantage into taking control of key squares? Does opposition have to be relinquished at some point to take control of key squares?
This is why I don't play as much online chess as I would like.
And if I play I talk to my oponnent and make sure that they don't use a database. If they are ok with it I play against them...
I know some people play with databases, but I do not like to do it myself...
I recently read that it's a fairly common practice for people to use an opening explorer as they're playing online chess and copy the moves from that against an opening they don't know. Recently when I was playing the Budapest my opponent paused for several minutes after I played 2...e5, then they proceded to quickly and correctly play one of the main lines against it. I suspect during that pause they may have looked it up in an opening explorer.
How is this any different from using a chess engine? In both cases the person is not making their own moves, but copying them from a computer. Maybe the only reason this isn't considered cheating is that it would be so hard to conclusively detect and/or stop?
Actually, I never even thought about that and didn't know people did that. But now that you mention it, it explains why all the players playing "top game" always use bizzare openings. It's to keep people from cheating.
It has to be allowed, otherwise how could you study chess while playing correspondence games (which can last a long time)?
Is it really that big of an issue? If your opponent uses opening explorer it just makes you play against better moves. You will probably become a better player because you will start to learn what does not work
Actually, I never even thought about that and didn't know people did that. But now that you mention it, it explains why all the players playing "top game" always use bizzare openings. It's to keep people from cheating.
It is not cheating for Online (or CC chess).
It has to be allowed, otherwise how could you study chess while playing correspondence games (which can last a long time)?
Glad someone has some sense, it wasn't an accident coorespondence rules developed the way they did. You can make your own rules with opponent, via not using databases, but how do you know they stick to the bargain? Everyone on chess com agrees not to use software during game, but every day more people are shown to have used it.
Most people who have posted make sense.
You could analyse your games after the game is finished? Learn from your mistakes.
But anyway, those are the rules, your allowed to use assistance.
I guess for higher rated players using opening books does not give much of an advantage. They know the openings anyway.
Lower/average rated players who do not use explorere or databases will be at a disadvantage.
Obviously its not necessarily a losing disadvantage, someone can use an opening book, but once out of the book, the oponenet may be superior tactically or in the end game.
Most people who have posted make sense.
You could analyse your games after the game is finished? Learn from your mistakes.
But anyway, those are the rules, your allowed to use assistance.
Most of this thread is emotional bluster because turn-base chess doesn't have same rules as OTB chess. It is blatently obvious they can't have same rules because of long timescales turnbased games are played on, and database use, and book research can't be detected. Unenforceable rules are pointless.
If lower rated players or anyone else choose not to use allowed resources in turn based games, it is their choice to disadvantage themselves. They might be motivated by OTB training anyway, and don't care about their online ratings.
@Two move
Where is the "emotional bluster"? The only one using emotive language here seems to be you.
Far as I can see most of the posts are variations on theme "I don't like the fact opponent is researching moves". The easy answer to that is play OTB chess, or live chess at fast enough time controls.
I guess for higher rated players using opening books does not give much of an advantage. They know the openings anyway.
Lower/average rated players who do not use explorere or databases will be at a disadvantage.
Obviously its not necessarily a losing disadvantage, someone can use an opening book, but once out of the book, the oponenet may be superior tactically or in the end game.
If two players have the same rating then that means they play at about the same strength. If your opponent has the same rating as you but uses DBs, then his advantage in the opening must be offset by his weaknesses in the rest of the game.
I don't really get why an endgame table base is not published analysis. It is published, and it is blunt force analysis of every possible legal position.
A database on the other hand is simply a collection of games.
People are saying opening explorers give no evaluations, but on the ones I've seen they have percentages for each move alternative that show how often white or black win going down that particular opening path.
Black has won every game after 10...h6 here.
http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=74054280