Why knights before Bishops?

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liveink

Explain plz for levels 1000 ,1400, and 2000 the reasoning behind this knights first principle

Sqod

(p. 43)

Something that has been written endless times in chess opening literature is the

guideline 'knights before bishops'. Really this piece of advice is simply a continua-

tion of the first conclusion above. The point is that it's usually more immediately

obvious where the knights want to go, whereas the bishops have more choice and

their ideal posts may only become apparent later on.

Emms, John. 2006. Discovering Chess Openings: Building Opening Skills from Basic Principles. Guildford, CT: The Globe Pequot Press.

Torkil

Yup, that's the "official" main reason, and easily the most valid one. Good quote, Sqod!

I can't back this up with a reference like the above one, but I remember both John Watson and Mihail Marin also have pointed out that long-range pieces like the bishops can exert an influence from their initial squares, so there are cases where they actually don't need to be developed (soon).

liveink

I see thanks

u0110001101101000

Put a pawn in the center in your first (or few first) moves might have even more exceptions Tongue Out

denzelnam
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denzel_is_awesome wrote:

You want to move you're slowest pieces first

its about gettingh yhour king to the othir side man

https://www.chess.com/members/view/Lenny_Bongcloud

DrSpudnik

A Knight on f3 controls some nice central and side squares that can be used for attacking: d4, e5, g5, h4

A lot of cheapo attacks on the King start with a Q to h4

and it's out of the way of the Bishop.

goon00

knights before bishops is just something to tell kids so that they actually think for half a second before they make their crappy moves instead of making the first move that pops into their heads

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Fiveofswords wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:

Put a pawn in the center in your first (or few first) moves might have even more exceptions 

hrm. fewer i tihnk. if you look at openings used by gms i tihnk you are getting a pawn on one of the center squares at least 95% of the time within the first 3 moves Even mroe if you include c4/c5 squares, which are kindof center.

I was thinking e.g. pirc, KID, Nimzo, QID, Grunfeld... I guess grunfeld is 3...d5 though.

But yeah, it may be a really high % like that.

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goon00 wrote:

knights before bishops is just something to tell kids so that they actually think for half a second before they make their crappy moves instead of making the first move that pops into their heads

Laughing

Johnkagey

liveink wrote:

Explain plz for levels 1000 ,1400, and 2000 the reasoning behind this knights first principle

the most obvious reason is moving the bishop first leaves your rooks which are trapped in by the knights now become easy targets. also,bishops need open boards which are usually seen later in the game whereas knights can jump around and over other pieces.

ilulzmetuna

only the knights can jump over pawns. still I often played the bishops opening, but more often 1.nh3, 1.nf3 or 1.na3, but not a fan of 1.nc3 as its too old-fashioned looking.

u0110001101101000

Only the hippo and hedgehog come to mind as openings that don't have a pawn in the center for a very long time. And c4 in the hedgehog so... that only sort of counts.

So yes, all other openings are doing something in the center... but not always in the first few moves.

Returnofcookiemonster

Because you are basically fighting for the center

hemidemisemiquaver1

It's just a general rule because it is harder to maneuver your knights compared with the bishops and your knights also do a better job of protecting the squares around your king but of course there are many exceptions.