Lol, is this your meladramatic end? Who do you think really cares? If you don't want to play, don't play. Yes people cheat, yes they are loosers, yes they get caught. But truthfully, you won't be dearly missed or anything so why make an entire forum on it?
Because the point of forums is to discuss things that matter to us.
man you are seriously disturbed, you need to chillax my friend, anyone who cares that much about cheating is someone who i am starting to get suspicious about!! Why so Bitter? these people are extremely sad individuals who probably don't get much pleasure from life apart from these hollow victories,so let them stuff their fat sweaty bellies with there fillingless "win" doughnuts and drink the tooth rotting cheata cola, i couldn't care less. Anyone who seeks respect through a monitor screen should be pitied especially in so much as chess is only a "game". It's like seeking respect at pictionary and using tracing paper!! Pointless and sad, maybe you should look into the reasons why you are so outraged and seek to rise above the pettyness of it all, <edit> em i say!! (excuse the french but...)
Excuse me for being passionate about something that means a lot to me. I was here thinking that this forum was designed for paying members like myself to voice opinions, chat about concerns etc, as well as for having a laugh too. Looking at the number of reads and replies this thread has got, i would say that people HAVE been interested in this opinion, but if this offends you then im sorry about that. Dont make the mistake of thinking that i some idiot who is just whining on for the sake of it. This IS a problem, and it is good to talk about it and discuss things out loud. Like i said earlier in this thread, this isn't another 'please beg me to stay' thread, i already said in my very first post that i aint going anywhere. This is about me sharing with people who WANT to read it, my feelings and motives. right then, im off to make a much more 'fitting' thread for a chess site now....something like 'whats your favourite colour?' or ' whats your fav band beginning with the letter H?'' :-)
Lol, is this your meladramatic end? Who do you think really cares? If you don't want to play, don't play. Yes people cheat, yes they are loosers, yes they get caught. But truthfully, you won't be dearly missed or anything so why make an entire forum on it?
whats your fav band beginning with the letter H?'' :-)
Hot Chip!
Wow, I don't agree with Nilesh's statement. I understand your frustration with online cheating. I have said this before, but people who cheat online cheat themselves. If they go into an OTB situation, they'll find themself facing a rude awakening. They lose out on the beautiful dynamics of a well played move (the position being created within one's mind as opposed to their computer's software). I look forward to reading your posts and regardless of what some people have to say, you'll be missed.
I've enjoyed those guys ever since they first broke my legs, snapped off my head.
Heh, people posting on a thread to complain about people complaining. How ridiculous, not to mention hypocritical. sittingpawn is the perfect example of people getting pissed off on online forums when there's clearly no need to be. Coming in and reading a thread you know you'll be annoyed about, just to get your self-righteous rhetoric going...
And gumpty, I'm sorry I didn't realise you were quitting all your games, thought it was just my tournament. Sorry to hear you're going. Though if you want to avoid the cheaters you may consider to playing unrated games only, as you tend to find cheaters won't bother with those as they hold their completely fictional rating with such high regard (personally I think it would get rid of 90% of cheaters if chess.com gave people an option to edit their own rating, so these guys could write in 999999 and save themselves a lot of time wasted).
Anyway, good to know you'll still be about.
Um... Is people complaining about people who complain about people complaining not ridiculous. But... Then me complaining about people complaining about people who complain about people complaining must also be ridiculous... oh whatever 
Gumpty you are being paranoid. I hope you just stop playing on here, if you're just gonna resign every match. Most people are on here to have fun and play chess. I resign some matches when the people are being terrible chatters or when it's just completely hopeless and I am not feeling like putting forth the effort but I would never think of resigning every game. That is weak sauce.
Gumpty you are being paranoid. I hope you just stop playing on here, if you're just gonna resign every match. Most people are on here to have fun and play chess. I resign some matches when the people are being terrible chatters or when it's just completely hopeless and I am not feeling like putting forth the effort but I would never think of resigning every game. That is weak sauce.
I agree with you gumpty, although it is easier to improve your game when you lose, which I do alot, playing against someone who cheats is frustrating, and I can see why you wouldn't want to play against them. Perhaps someday we will find a way to make absolutely sure that someone didn't cheat, but for now, I can't see how that's possible, and I wish you the best of luck on your games.
LoL gumpty, just take it easy!!
I bet you cant share a bit of "trust" to your kids, if u cant trust in nobody in this site even any videogame you'll have fear, and being so paraoind.
i play for fun, and I dont care if somebody is cheating, the learning experiece worth it for me
I myself left livechess for similar reasons (and I blame the 'beta' thing as well..how long will it take to become 'alpha' ?) anyway..so I gave up playing livechess (which is good cuz now I can actually play better chess ..livechess just ruined my game..and that has nothing to do with chess.com). But yes, cheats can discourage some people from turn-based games..I myself get frustrated playing people who resort to opening databases that run upto 40 moves deep (even if they are technically allowed to use them).
I am of the firm belief that OTB chess is the best way to play chess (even if it's a casual unrated game)! It's just being fair to both the parties involved. But I think gumpty your chess might actually improve if you stopped playing and studied instead ! so it's not real a bummer for ya. That's what I have started to do now.
(and I blame the 'beta' thing as well..how long will it take to become 'alpha' ?)
It goes the opposite way. 
Beta-version is better then alpha.
First, the alpha is developed, then the beta, and finally, the finished product.
And the OP is indeed paranoid. Like a Russian proverb says, "Волков бояться - в лес не ходить!", which means "If you are afraid of wolves, you lack the pleasures of the forest".
i'm relatively new here: is this a big problem on the site? It didn't actually occur to me that this could ben such a problem before now
i'm relatively new here: is this a big problem on the site? It didn't actually occur to me that this could ben such a problem before now
Don't get the wrong idea. :) Sure there are Cheaters but the vast majority are honest players. You might come across a few ofcourse, but still dont let that get in the way of a good experience here. The pros far outweigh the cons! Most of us enjoy good, honest games. Of the 267 games I've played and 36 ongoing (I know its a meagre amount compared to others) I've suspected only one person of cheating.
Very few people actually cheat on chess sites, and they almost always get caught. In reality it doesn't really matter if someone cheats. Do you know what using an engine makes you? Stronger. So these people who are your rating BUT using an engine are really going be rated hundreds of points higher than you.
And those people who are weaker than you and are using an engine may play an extraordinary tactic here and there, but their game will fall apart as their own moves get torn apart. Again, let me state this: If they are using an engine for all their moves, or a significant part of the game, they WILL surpass you in rating.
You shouldn't even worry about playing a human or not. Every once in a while someone is going to cheat. But who cares? Does it really matter if you play a 1800 level computer (remember above) instead of an 1800 level human? It's still going to be 1800 strength.
Statistically, the number of times you are going to run into cheaters is probably about less than 0.01% of all your games combined. I've been playing internet chess for 10 years on almost every chess site, and not a single time did I ever think my opponent was using an engine. Maybe they did - but I was blissfully unaware and statistically speaking it had a minimal effect on my rating, almost no effect whatsoever in the long run.
Even high-rated chess.com games in which my opponents put up an amazing game the likes I've never seen in a regular slow game did not seem to be using engines. Their strength was far more intuitive. Engines have a particular style and calculation ability and I did not see this from my opponents.
Lastly, I know this is out of fashion but you should be HAPPY to play against an engine. Seriously. Especially a very slow game. You learn the most from your losses in chess. Every loss you get is a heavily detailed description of one of your weaknesses. An engine will refute you so cleanly and efficiently that it's going to give you a way more to-the-point explanation of what you are lacking in.
Almost everyone I know or have heard of except certain players like Nakamura and Kasparov hate playing against engines. They say that it doesn't even help your game and could even HURT your game. I say hogwash. If you play against an engine all day, when you go back to your normal players they feel so soft and pliable it's ridiculous. You can learn more about your tactical mistakes against an engine in a half hour than you could in 2 weeks slowly analyzing the tactics you won't understand anyways.
The real reason I think people fear engines is because they beat you, and that hurts your ego. To people that don't mind losing EVERY SINGLE GAME against an engine, it's a very valuable training tool. In fact it's like having your own personal GM who doesn't charge by the hour and is infinitely patient and never makes a tactical mistake.
Zenchess - nail on head.
The real question is, how many cheaters do you think you've played and are they still on the site now? If you haven't played any, it's like refusing to drive because of the possibility you might get hit by a drunk driver, or refusing to fly because there might be a terrorist on board. Statistically the chances of either of these are pretty low, but when the media draws attention to them, more people get worried (no disrespect intended to any Indian readers), and people do silly things to go out of their way, even if they have practically no chance of being involved in either. Just because there has been a couple of threads about cheating doesn't mean that cheating is any more prevalent than it ever has been, or that it's policed any worse. Ignoring for the moment the fact that giving up something you enjoy because of a number on the internet sounds a little extreme, if you haven't been cheated against then why does it matter?
I don't mean to sound patronising, although I can understand if what I've written comes across that way, however I really think that you're getting worked up about something that's a non-issue..
Lol, is this your meladramatic end? Who do you think really cares? If you don't want to play, don't play. Yes people cheat, yes they are loosers, yes they get caught. But truthfully, you won't be dearly missed or anything so why make an entire forum on it?