Why openings revealed during the game?

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Why is the name of the specific opening revealed to the players after the first moves during the game? It's full of people with sick egos who immediately run to watch Youtube and make the right moves. So, one player learns openings, learns traps, while the other simply looks up the answers on the Internet. Why does chess.com do this? It would be much better (especially for lower level players) if openings were not shown during the game - that's what analytics after the game is for.

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Can you see the openings on mobile? I don't believe you can, but just checking. I am a mobile player and they should at least add it to mobile

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I play only on the computer, and there it already shows after the first moves. Why do you want them added?

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Just play a line that wouldn’t be mentioned in a yt video
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Knowing the name of the opening doesn't mean anything during a live game. Especially during something like rapid or blitz. Your opponent will memorize the lines of the opening they play, you can only do the same for your openings.

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I have never liked that feature, It only helps Cheaters.

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1. No cheater needs to know name of the opening in order to cheat. 
2. Intermediate level players already know names of most openings and at least 1-3 initial moves with it

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If they are cheating, they don't need to know the openings at all. They just plug the computer's move into the game. And yeah, most players already know the names of most openings and some of the basic moves and ideas of them.

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Gottfried94 wrote:

1. No cheater needs to know name of the opening in order to cheat. 
2. Intermediate level players already know names of most openings and at least 1-3 initial moves with it

You won't believe it, but around level 1000, almost everyone of my opponents knows 4-6 or more opening moves from various openings. Do you believe in such chess progress?

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Yes.

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If it does not help Cheaters, who does it help?

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No one. It's just cool to see the names. Some of the variations have names that are just funny to see too. The Prickly Pawn Variation comes to mind. Or the Hippo.

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FireWalkWM wrote:
Gottfried94 wrote:

1. No cheater needs to know name of the opening in order to cheat. 
2. Intermediate level players already know names of most openings and at least 1-3 initial moves with it

You won't believe it, but around level 1000, almost everyone of my opponents knows 4-6 or more opening moves from various openings. Do you believe in such chess progress?

Why not? If people have couple of hundreds/thousand of games on their account starting all their games with e4, why wouldn't they memorize first 6 moves in the most forcing/exchange line. 
Also, 1000 rated players are no beginners,. They are not particularly skilled or talented and blunder a lot, but they know how to play the game and what has to be done.

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So, it's cool.

For some, maybe.

For others, it's not, and I still maintain it helps Cheaters, which is not cool., as not all Cheaters use bots, but know where to look in their opening books, which is outside help, and undetectable.

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But if they suck at the rest of the game, or don't know how to play it after the first (let's say six) moves, they'll still lose if you play better than them. The impact would be negligible at the 1000 range, because, as Gottfried said, they're still not the best at bringing home the point. All you need are tactics, and if they're cheating on that end, that is detectable.

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checkmated0001 wrote:

But if they suck at the rest of the game, or don't know how to play it after the first (let's say six) moves, they'll still lose if you play better than them. The impact would be negligible at the 1000 range, because, as Gottfried said, they're still not the best at bringing home the point. All you need are tactics, and if they're cheating on that end, that is detectable.

Around level 1000, everyone is too skilled in openings. Of course, in the middlegame their superpowers end, but they already evaded traps and have created a positionally correct situation. Which is huge unfair advantage at this level.

By removing the ability to see openings during the game, we wouldn't avoid cheaters who use the engine, but we would avoid cheaters who use youtube or literature. And that would be a lot! The game would become much more interesting and creative.

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checkmated0001 wrote:

No one. It's just cool to see the names. Some of the variations have names that are just funny to see too. The Prickly Pawn Variation comes to mind. Or the Hippo.

How many different openings (around first 10 moves) do you think the average 1000 player knows? I don't think many. People in this level get stuck in one opening usually, well maybe a couple. But why is it that every time you want to play a rare gambit, they always know the right moves or even lines? Where does such knowledge come from? This feature isn't just for people to enjoy funny opening names. It really ruins the game.

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I play 3-day games. I thought it was to aid players in learning openings. Just because the computer says it's an opening doesn't mean your opponent even knows it or is playing it.

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FireWalkWM wrote:
checkmated0001 wrote:

No one. It's just cool to see the names. Some of the variations have names that are just funny to see too. The Prickly Pawn Variation comes to mind. Or the Hippo.

How many different openings (around first 10+ moves) do you think the average 1000 player knows? I don't think many. People in this level get stuck in one opening usually, well maybe a couple. But why is it that every time you want to play a rare gambit, they always know the right moves or even lines? Where does such knowledge come from? This feature isn't just for people to enjoy funny opening names. It really ruins the game.

I feel like you exaggerate little bit. Show us a single game where your 1k opponent played 10 book moves. I don't believe it happened, because it would also require 10 book moves from you too. You see, for it to work both of you would have to know the moves. If YOU do non-book move on turn 3 and change direction of the game, he's not getting book move on turn 4. It's that simple

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At a low enough where the player won’t have the moves memorized, the advantage they get from looking up the moves will be negligible and they’ll throw it away in the middlegame