Why so Serious Chess Community?

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Hmmm..  Huddersfield tommorrow. Anyway i'm not talking football today.The toon got shat on by the Mancs.  Bad news!

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Stevie65 wrote:

Hmmm..  Huddersfield tommorrow. Anyway i'm not talking football today.The toon got shat on by the Mancs.  Bad news!

The Steelers also got creamed.  No play-offs this year.  Bummer.  Frown

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FadulJoseA wrote:

In my book  (link removed - please don't use the forums to advertise or promote your book) I found many chess.com members getting along well, and some being too competitive and serious.

The book features social network analysis of my live rated online chess games with various players (including high and middle-strength computer software) from different time zones and cultures around the world. For most of them the social features and downsides of real-time online chess were investigated and documented, including social magnetism, gambling, anonymity and use of pseudonyms, nationalism, Lesbian-Gay-Bisexual-Transgender (LGBT) issues, Islamophobia, and social stratification and mobility. The accompanying game annotations and post-game discussions mainly dwell on responsible participation and civil discourse using live online chess games as medium. Online chess has become a test case for us as an international/trans-national group to think about how we can live in a socially-differentiated society, where its members subscribe to a plurality of forms of knowledge arising from considerably different environments, experiences and genetic makeup. ;-)

Funny that chess.com mods kept the description of the book but removed the title.  Seems to shout "Ask this person about their book!"  :-p

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posts are one thing no-one takes seriously

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landwehr wrote:

posts are one thing no-one takes seriously

Seriously tracking this topic is off Tongue out  The whiskey forum might help :)
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/whiskey-thread

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greg135 wrote:
FadulJoseA wrote:

In my book  (link removed - please don't use the forums to advertise or promote your book) I found many chess.com members getting along well, and some being too competitive and serious.

The book features social network analysis of my live rated online chess games with various players (including high and middle-strength computer software) from different time zones and cultures around the world. For most of them the social features and downsides of real-time online chess were investigated and documented, including social magnetism, gambling, anonymity and use of pseudonyms, nationalism, Lesbian-Gay-Bisexual-Transgender (LGBT) issues, Islamophobia, and social stratification and mobility. The accompanying game annotations and post-game discussions mainly dwell on responsible participation and civil discourse using live online chess games as medium. Online chess has become a test case for us as an international/trans-national group to think about how we can live in a socially-differentiated society, where its members subscribe to a plurality of forms of knowledge arising from considerably different environments, experiences and genetic makeup. ;-)

About a month ago, I received a friend request and message from this chess.com member.  He said that a game we'd played was in a book he'd published.  After checking out the link, and previewing the book, I was shocked; the guy had simply lied, written fiction to further some narrative.  I do, however, live in Canada, that was correct.  I find the whole thing very strange

Dear greg135,

The final version of the book, Live Online Chess: Social Features & Downsides, prior to publishing, no longer used the chats we had; I have replaced it with that of other Canadians, some of whom are your friends who fed me the data you disagreed about. I have removed it [that part you disagreed about] a month ago as soon as you told me that it wasn't ok for you. However, the live online game we had last April 8, 2012 is retained as a minor illustrative portion because it is anyway archived at http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=277882584. Computer analysis of the game reveal that it is a mistake-ridden game, for both White (that was you) and Black (that was me). The game was simply used as a metaphor of life where people may commit mistakes one after another with consequences. The final version of the book (revised to accomodate your as well as others' complaints) was published just a few days ago. Check the book preview again, if you please. Happy New Year to you and your family! Wink

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Jimmy_Jojo wrote:

Jose, can you please explain what this book is about?  Is this a book published about Chess.com and the people on it?

Hi Jimmy_Jojo and happy new year to you!

The book used social network analysis of live online chess games with various players (including high and middle-strength computer software) from different time zones and cultures around the world, using Chess.com, ChessFriends.com, InstantChess, etc. (Not exclusive to Chess.com; other chess websites were discussed.) Social features and downsides of real-time online chess were investigated and documented, including gambling, anonymity and pseudonymity, nationalism, Lesbian-Gay-Bisexual-Transgender (LGBT) issues, Islamophobia, and social stratification. To preview the book, use any search engine such as Google or Yahoo with "Fadul Live Online Chess" as search words and it will lead you to any of the book preview sites. Wink

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We need more dots in boxes! Yell

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Jimmy_Jojo wrote:

How did you do the research for this book?  It sounds very interesting and original.

I'm a Full Professor at De La Salle-College of Saint Benilde and i'm on my 15th year with DLS-CSB in the School of Multidisciplinary Studies; was with the University of the Philippines for about a decade before then. I've been playing live online chess for many years during my free hours, so a few months ago I decided to write a book on it, realizing the tremendous resources that can be of help to me: permanently archived games, cloud computing, live chats, computer analysis of games, and data visualization software for social network analysis. Thanks for your expressed interest. Cool 

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DrSpudnik wrote:

We need more dots in boxes!

Smile

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Jimmy_Jojo wrote:

Thank you.  So what is this stuff about gay-transgender issues and Islamophobia on Chess.com?  How did you research that?  And do you talk about any of the mods or admins in your book?

Some members of Chess.com are critical links. The network of Chess.com has some horizons over which I cannot see nor influence; my critical links feed me with valuable information. Mr. specialist_21 from Riyadh links me to muslim members of chess.com and other chess sites; Ms. iamnotsogood of Bochum is my link to the chess-playing LGBTs. Much info were given via Facebook, Linkedin, and sites other than Chess.com, through a couple of years.

As to the moderators and admins, I mentioned, among others, that they are there to maintain order, though at times they encounter what you call a  "false positive"--someone innocent but appears to be cheating or appears to have cheated.

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THETUBESTER wrote:

Look at that.  Jimmy Jo Jo created his account today.  I bet that is purely coincidental.

I have nothing to do with that!Surprised

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I do not take chess so damn seriously at all. And because of that, I do not see what is need of saying "Good game" to my opponent all the time.

If I see a reason of why I should talk to him, I will. If my opponent talks to me, I will answer. But to say "Oh, very good game"...it is OK, but why should we do that after each game?

Just as I do not see any need of being offensive or rude towards my opponent only because he defeated me.

Chess is a competitive game, you do not need to hate your opponent or anything at all, but obviously you are going to try to beat him, just as he will try to beat you. At the end, it is just one game. You will still have thousands of them, you will have a lot of wins and tons of loses. So not big deal, IMO it is not a "must" to congratulate each one of your oponents.

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This is my last post for today. I think I'm playing Blitz the rest of the hour. Again, happy new year to all!  I hope THETUBESTER has encountered only a false positive. Jimmy_Jojo, if you are from Lulu I won't forgive you!

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djones559 wrote:

Hey all, I started playing Chess a few months ago and love the game, but I have one complaint: people seem to be overly competitive. Can everyone just try and not take chess so seriously and have more fun. Why cant people say good game to each other even when they lose? We should be happy when we get mated by some beautiful tactic and then encourage our oppenents, not get angry! I mean seriously I hover around 850, that is nothing to be proud of, why get so mad? Why so serious? Do we really love the game, or do we love winning? I think our over competiviness can be damaging to the community and may detract new players from really understanding what chess is all about. Can we all try to have more fun and get along?

You are absolutely right. Chess is a passtime between friends, allowing time for discussions on everything that is beautiful and interesting in the world and in essence an instrument to seduce your opponent, not at all to beat him. Society has gone astray since 500 years, but we are starting to get the vision again.  

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chess if war dude 

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evansgambit15 wrote:

chess if war dude 

I forgive you because Evans died in Belgium, but chess is primarily a game, not war. You make it what you want to make it, but I suggest that you read the Bhagavat Gita. If it was good enough for Gandhi, it is probably good enough for you too Wink 

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djones559 wrote:

Hey all, I started playing Chess a few months ago and love the game, but I have one complaint: people seem to be overly competitive. Can everyone just try and not take chess so seriously and have more fun. Why cant people say good game to each other even when they lose? We should be happy when we get mated by some beautiful tactic and then encourage our oppenents, not get angry! I mean seriously I hover around 850, that is nothing to be proud of, why get so mad? Why so serious? Do we really love the game, or do we love winning? I think our over competiviness can be damaging to the community and may detract new players from really understanding what chess is all about. Can we all try to have more fun and get along?

 

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Hey F Jose! do you have theory on these dots?  Andy wants to know.