Will computers ever solve chess?

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NemanjaSujdovic

there is no advntage for white because he plays first you should consider that with every move you make it has good aspects and bad aspects. Chess is big enough for people and aslo for artificial inteligence. After all its just a game hahahaha

NemanjaSujdovic

Once again: Chess Is Big enough

troy7915
pawn8888 wrote:

The way to prove that Alpha Zero didn't solve chess is to find a game where it lost while playing white. Someone who says Alpha Zero didn't solve chess should produce a game with that outcome. If he did then he'd be totally correct.

 

  That assumes that a perfect game is not a win for Black. But nobody knows that for a fact.

ponz111

Alpha Zero did not solve chess. There is a good chance that chess may never be "solved".    

Nevertheless, chess is a draw when neither side makes an error which would change the theoretical result of the game.

This is my opinion based on a ton of evidence.

skyrono

To "solve" chess, to my understanding, is to make an unbeatable computer.For instance, you cannot win against a computer in tic tac toe or checkers.

 

Chess is so much more complicated. After a few moves, there are an unfathomable number of possible positions. Anybody with a shred of common sense in the old days would tell you that "no, computers couldn't do it."

 

So, yes, we will one day be rendered useless in that mind exercise. Human processing power will be once again exceeded by machines.

 

But not for a long time.

 

 

skyrono

Also, it could turn out that Chess isn't a game where "only one side can win." Is it with two perfect machines, or one perfect machine? If just one, then it could be that either the computer can always win or initiate draw, and it may depend on who/what goes first. "Solving" Chess is frankly very vague, but in the popular sense, it's just a matter of time.

 

Also, the size of Chess's possibilities isn't "astronomical." It's too big for that spaghet. I personally contend that Chess is infinite, so there is no comparison to our lives, except for how funny Sonic Let's Plays are.

 

Then again, we're gonna have even longer than we think. If Siri is still stupid after all this time... maybe we have an extra decade.

troy7915

It is quite obvious that alpha didn’t solve chess, no need to say anything, you can see for yourself. The computation load is overwhelming even for this program.

troy7915
skyrono wrote:

To "solve" chess, to my understanding, is to make an unbeatable computer.

 

 

 

 

 

  Not really. To solve chess is to find out what is the result of a perfect game, with best moves played by both sides. Whatever that result may be: White wins, draw or Black wins.

ponz111

The best checker players knew checkers was a draw long before the game was solved.

The best chess players know chess is a draw and this is long before the game is ever solved.   

troy7915

That parallel is only a weak inference.

troy7915
s23bog wrote:
troy7915 escribió:
skyrono wrote:

To "solve" chess, to my understanding, is to make an unbeatable computer.

 

 

 

 

 

  Not really. To solve chess is to find out what is the result of a perfect game, with best moves played by both sides. Whatever that result may be: White wins, draw or Black wins.

Has anyone proposed that what we may really need is the best possible moves for white and all possible responses for black?

 

  You’re funny. To know the best moves for White you must also check all the moves for White.

troy7915
s23bog wrote:

Deciding on the first move to play ... the correct first move .... is as difficult as solving chess.  I mean ... to be absolutely sure that it is right.  

 

  Yes, so your proposal did not bring any improvements.

troy7915

I didn’t expect any. We’re just talking,

troy7915

 Doesn’t look like it, despite the fact that it might be a phenomenon. We need a bigger phenomenon.

sheetspread3

Like humans computers can always improve, but never reach a limit.

troy7915
IAMBBW wrote:

IT'S ALPHA ZERO

 

  I doubt that very much.

troy7915
IAMBBW wrote:
troy7915 wrote:
IAMBBW wrote:

IT'S ALPHA ZERO

 

  I doubt that very much.

There's nothing to doubt it's the most HIGHEST RANKED CHESS ENGINE

 

  That doesn’t guarantee that in the future, a super-super engine will make Alpha look ridiculous.

troy7915

For now. Since you are unable to foresee the future, you have no idea whether this alpha is a joke or not. You are just guessing and trying to present that guess as a fact. It’s still a guess.

troy7915

Not only that: he can’t even say that alpha will solve chess. No one knows the future.

troy7915
Miaoiao wrote:

An artificial intelligence should be able to answer the following simple questions: 'Did you solve Chess? Is it a draw? Or a win for one side.' 

 

 

  No need to ask the machine. It is way obvious that it did not compute even 1% of the whole thing. Just look at its computational power. Regardless of the intuition, you still need the numbers to verify it. It doesn’t have them.