Will I be able to reach Master level?

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itchynscratchy

you mean people are born with a gift for chess ? lol

Ziryab
Thomas9400 wrote:

I belive talent is by far the most inportant factor...some people go from brand new to masters in a couple years others dont make it in a lifetime of hardwork

I have less chess talent than you do. Everything that I can do in chess is due to books. That's why my rating is ~900 higher than yours.

I have talent, education, and experience in how people learn, including how they learn chess.

I know that you are wrong. Work is by far the most important factor, whether to make master or to achieve the highest levels.

I would have made master a few years ago if not for two factors:

1) I have not traveled to out of town tournaments where there are masters, and

2) 100,000+ blitz and bullet games online have retarded my progress. 

Thomas9400
Ziryab wrote:
Thomas9400 wrote:

I belive talent is by far the most inportant factor...some people go from brand new to masters in a couple years others dont make it in a lifetime of hardwork

I have less chess talent than you do. Everything that I can do in chess is due to books. That's why my rating is ~900 higher than yours.

I have talent, education, and experience in how people learn, including how they learn chess.

I know that you are wrong. Work is by far the most important factor, whether to make master or to achieve the highest levels.

I would have made master a few years ago if not for two factors:

1) I have not traveled to out of town tournaments where there are masters, and

2) 100,000+ blitz and bullet games online have retarded my progress. 

I belive hardwork is a factor  however your natural talent compared to mine is what i think makes up most of that 900

itchynscratchy

that's really cool, I have natural talent for chess and learned no chess from anyone. I should get titled now :)

GhostNight

Just thinking if it was that easy to reach master level,every one would be a master or expert waiting to be a master. there would not be  a chess.com as it is today, just play, maybe?   The game may even go out the window like say checkers too easy!  That is why chess is so intriguing, it's a bitch to "Master"=key wordCool

Harvey_Wallbanger

   I found out that golf is just as hard to master. For health issues, I had to give up golf a year ago. But...there is always chess!

   And, like you, I don't get out as often as I once did. Believe it or not, the chess comes right to my home! Cool

GhostNight

Well I meet some really nice and great people here on chess.com, and Harvey, you are in deed one of those special people. you stay healthy, and be here a loooog timeLaughing forgot the"n" Old age they call it?

Harvey_Wallbanger

   Thanks...same to you. Smile

didibrian
You can, but first u have to give me 1000$
TheOldReb

If you look at the bottom countries on that list you will see there are entire countries that have no players rated over 2200 fide . 

Harvey_Wallbanger

Hey, Ziryab, I got to thinking....how much better at chess do we chess players have to get before we are sated, satisfied?

For example, you fit:

Class A   1900 to 1999  94.62%

You won't be happy unti:

Master   2200 to 2299   99.18%

Then you will be happy?

The thing about chess, no matter how much we improve, I don't think we ever become satisfied. That's the curse of chess. Our grasp is always a bit short of our brass ring.

TheOldReb
Harvey_Wallbanger wrote:

Hey, Ziryab, I got to thinking....how much better at chess do we chess players have to get before we are sated, satisfied?

For example, you fit:

Class A   1900 to 1999  94.62%

You won't be happy unti:

Master   2200 to 2299   99.18%

Then you will be happy?

The thing about chess, no matter how much we improve, I don't think we ever become Thats satisfied. That's the curse of chess. Our grasp is always a bit short of our brass ring.

 

Thats like asking how much money is enough money ?  The answer seems to be the same for both . Wink I recall starting out in chess and thinking that if I ever reached A class I would be " satisfied " ,  but when I got there I wasnt satisfied !  

AutisticCath

"The lack of living Masters is so few that you can actually find more elite football (and I mean soccer) players, so y'all can't seriously be claiming that 6.9999999 billion people are all "lazy" or "uninterested" or "didn't put in the time" or just don't play chess at all. "

I bold the first part of Mr. Penrose's statement and italicize the second part--if a guy is an elite soccer player he's playing soccer more than he's playing chess and could possibly be uninterested, doesn't want to put the time into playing chess, or is lazy when it comes to chess. I agree not all can be good chess players but there is something about time, hard work, and laziness.

Aquarius550

I want to point out that there has recently been a prodigy craze with the expansion of chess into the world consciousness(It's been growing, ironically, since the soviet union fell, and Carlsen has done nothing but enhance in the northern parts of Europe). This has, however, had an adverse effect on less prodigious players, since the majority of the focus has been on those who become very good at chess at a very young age. I don't know how much of a factor age is on chess anymore, but I do know that everyone has their own path to walk. Tal concluded that there was a talent aspect to chess, however he expounded upon in an essay found in The Life and Games of Mikhail Tal "One cannot say: Drink tomato juice and you will become World Champion!...Everyone must find his own way - It is an absolutely personal thing..." 

I feel Tal's belief in himself was what allowed him to become World Champion. He must have had demons, he must have conquered them all. Talent alone cannot take you anywhere, but whatever talent is, everyone has some of it: make use of it...Please.

Roberta-Baggio

Tal didn't conquer the nicotine and binging deemins!

Should have got one of them pastors to grab him by the forehead and become filled with the power of jeeeeesis.

Ziryab
Harvey_Wallbanger wrote:

Hey, Ziryab, I got to thinking....how much better at chess do we chess players have to get before we are sated, satisfied?

For example, you fit:

Class A   1900 to 1999  94.62%

You won't be happy unti:

Master   2200 to 2299   99.18%

Then you will be happy?

The thing about chess, no matter how much we improve, I don't think we ever become satisfied. That's the curse of chess. Our grasp is always a bit short of our brass ring.

Satisfation is constant along the journey. When it ends, you die.

Ziryab

A better way of answering your question. I enjoy learning, and I enjoy helping others learn. Chess is one of the ways that I experience this process. I am happy when my dog reaches up to shake my hand. I am happy when I sip a glass of fine Washington Merlot, or bite into grilled Alaskan salmon. I like it when the Seahawks win. Today was tough, but I found solace walking my dogs.

I am happy every time I win a chess game. My last OTB loss was to a young woman whom I coached a few years ago.

ipcress12

There's always a faster gunslinger, no matter who you are.

If not now, later. All world champions lost or beat themselves (Fischer).

For the rest of us, it's always the case. Some can find ways to be satisfied with that; other's can't.

Spassky made it to world champion but later admitted that was a miserable time in his life.

ipcress12

Should have got one of them pastors to grab him by the forehead and become filled with the power of jeeeeesis.

It works for some people. My sister picked up her white chip at an AA meeting thirty years ago and never drank or used again. She still prays to Jesus.

Secular treatments don't do any better.

A few weeks ago I talked to a childhood friend who I had assumed had gone right down the rathole of alcohol and drugs like most of our other mutual friends.

Steve connected with a Baptist preacher, straightened out, has been clean and sober since, held a job, raised a family, stuck with the church and now has grandchildren. I was sure he was dead.

I couldn't turn it over to Jesus, but I've seen it work.

ipcress12

I wouldn't shortchange Jesus even when it comes to chess.

GM Henrique Mecking was a Fischer-like prodigy from Brazil who reached #3 in the world in 1977, but then developed a vicious case of myasthenia gravis and was expected to die.

Through the prayers of three women, he was born again, made a 99% recovery, and wrote a book, "How Jesus Saved My LIfe." He made a comeback to GM level play in the 1990s and 2000s but not enough to  assail the world champion heights. He had missed his window.

He is currently rated #229 in the world, which is not too shabby for a 63 year-old who almost died and had to stop playing for ten years.