I just beat the 2400 bot with 90.6% accuracy lol.
Will playing the 2300 chess bot improve my skill?
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My advice is to not play the bots at all, just play with humans at your level. This way, you will get many interesting positions and also face different play styles, improving your overall chess skills.
I would use bots 200-400 rating range higher than your rating to improve tactics and strategy that is familiar to you, instead of expecting improvement by playing a 3200 bot.
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Michaelaragones wrote:
I would use bots 200-400 rating range higher than your rating to improve tactics and strategy that is familiar to you, instead of expecting improvement by playing a 3200 bot.
This is just for me, I have training partners up to 2000 to help me improve.
I do tactics training to develop my tactical skills and pattern recognition.
I run lines by the engine when I want to test out ideas, middle game plans and develop pattern recognition. My aim is to foresee the evaluation bar and assess if I enjoy the resulting positions?
Again, don’t burn up a lot of your time on this stuff.
Nov 5, 2022
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Yes, on a minuscule scale.
It would be more beneficial to simply study books/videos/ etc.
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Michaelaragones wrote:
Will playing a 2300 chess bot improve my skill over time?
2300 bot on chess.com is like 1500 in real life (ok, maybe not THAT bad).
So no, you're way too high rated for a 2300 chess.com bot to be worth playing (and in general playing bots is not useful).
Nov 5, 2022
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#28
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Person 1: How do you learn to fly?
Person 2: I go into the cockpit and tinker around while I am up in the sky.
Person 1: How does that help you to fly when you keep having to parachute out of the plane and the plane crashes?
Person 2: Oh, I have a training school which teaches me how to actually fly and simulations to learn with so I won't have to parachute out of the plane someday. My aim is to see how far I can go before I need to parachute out of an uncontrollable plane and not die.
How do you prepare for OTB chess in classical time controls?
Nov 5, 2022
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#29
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
How do you prepare for OTB chess in classical time controls?
I don't think there is a difference based on play. If there is a difference, then it would be things like learning to concentrate with noise around me and remembering to press the clock, etc... since all that online is absent or done for you.
The things other people say seem more practical, along with studying any opponent's games if I know ahead of time, books, endgames, tactics, etc...
I can guarantee OTB I am not going to be matched with a 2900 human.
Is it okay to run my lines thru the engine to see the evaluation bar and if I enjoy the resulting middle game positions?
Nov 5, 2022
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TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Is it okay to run my lines thru the engine to see the evaluation bar and if I enjoy the resulting middle game positions?
That wasn't the premise of the thread. The question as I saw it was, "Should I play a higher rated bot from beginning to end as if it were an opponent and I don't use any assistance?"
Your question is more like, "Will buying a pizza at the local grocery store and then bringing it to a famous Italian restaurant help me improve at making a pizza?"
The only real difference is that someone there could at least tell you why the grocery store pizza was not prepared and made properly. The engine can't tell you why.
Do you know why the 2900 engine gives you every move it gives? What depth do you let it go to on each move? If you aren't giving it enough time, then you aren't actually making full use of it then.
You didn’t answer my question, is okay to run my lines by an engine to see the evaluation bar and if I will enjoy the resulting middle game positions?
“Will playing the 2300 chess bot improve my skill?”
is the title of the thread.
Nov 5, 2022
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TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
You didn’t answer my question, is okay to run my lines by an engine to see the evaluation bar and if I will enjoy the resulting middle game positions?
“Will playing the 2300 chess bot improve my skill?”is the title of the thread.
Not while you play. While you play, you should try to make the moves on your own. What I think you really mean is not what the thread is about.
Again, is it okay for me to run my lines thru an engine to see what the evaluation bar will be and see if I will enjoy the resulting middle game positions?
If you cannot answer this, can somebody else?
Nov 5, 2022
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#32
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Again, is it okay for me to run my lines thru an engine to see what the evaluation bar will be and see if I will enjoy the resulting middle game positions?
After the game is done, sure. I don't know the game you are asking about. I try to look at all my games AFTER with a top engine, but sometimes the game is pointless.
Give a game as an example.
I ran into this line today:
Then I went with my go to response and it resulted in an enjoyable middle game position. I spent 5 minutes and now recognize the pattern and structure for next time.
Nov 5, 2022
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#33
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Again, these are posts for another thread. The question is not experimenting with lines. The question was about playing from beginning to end without engine assistance.
I cannot control what the bots or my opponents play but learning about middle game plans, ideas and understanding pawn structures, square weaknesses and developing pattern recognition is improving my chess.
I spent literally 5 minutes with the this bot as evident by the time stamps.
Nov 5, 2022
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#34
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
If you enjoy what you are doing, go enjoy and do it. Let the rest of us discuss the original topic.
I literally stayed on topic and hit it home by posting a game against a bot (between our conversation) illustrating my understanding of a chosen line, middle game ideas and plans, given pawn structure.
5 minutes, what a drag.
Will playing the 2300 chess bot improve my skill?
Nov 5, 2022
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#35
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
If you enjoy what you are doing, go enjoy and do it. Let the rest of us discuss the original topic.
I literally stayed on topic and hit it home by posting a game against a bot (between our conversation) illustrating my understanding of a chosen line, middle game ideas and plans, given pawn structure.
5 minutes, what a drag.
Will playing the 2300 chess bot improve my skill?
Then you don't understand the difference between playing a bot from beginning to end without assistance and throwing in lines looking at the evaluation lines.
The question was regarding challenges as I understood it, in the green. Your answers pertained to Assisted, in the red.
Will playing the 2300 chess bot improve my skill?
I can only speak out of personal experience in that I gain new knowledge in middle game plans, ideas, enjoyable positions, square weaknesses and pawn structures. Then I transfer my understanding to OTB.
Is that improving my skills?
YMMV.
Nov 5, 2022
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#36
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
The question and comments you made don't relate, and you don't appear to grasp that difference. If you have a mental handicap then that might explain it.
The question is about PLAYING, not LOOKING AT EVALUATIONS.
Name calling; that’s classy.
If you don’t have the resources to work on middle game plans, ideas, tactics, mitigating blunders and mistakes, understanding pawn structures and square weaknesses; you are on your own.
The resources are there rather it be thru videos, books, training partners and a coach, I just happen to enjoy engine analysis for its specific purpose and burn very little time doing it.
Nov 5, 2022
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#37
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
I just happen to enjoy engine analysis for its specific purpose and burn very little time doing it.
If you enjoy engine analysis, why burn little time? Why not burn more time? Also, if you burn more time then you would get a higher depth and more accurate long term results. If you don't wait, then it's not really giving you 2900-3200 results.
Do you work or study on:
1. Tactics
2. Game analysis of your losses
3. Middle game plans and ideas
4. Pawn structures and square weaknesses
5. End Games
6. Study thru master games
7. Sparring partners
8. Coaching sessions
I just happen to enjoy running my limited lines thru an engine on top off everything else; fortunately it takes very little time. The rare times I play bots.
I do the things because I want to be a better classical OTB player.
If I wanted to be a better online rapid player; I would play more speed chess.
What are you working on?
State your priorities and goals.
Nov 5, 2022
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#38
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
I think I am nearing sleep time and I don't see what more to discuss. I agree with using an engine to do all you listed, but for training purposes vs. studying and experimenting I would suggest you turn the engine off and play from your own thinking.
You’ll understand when you have missed wins against 2000+ players.
Thank-you for the discussion.
Nov 5, 2022
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#39
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
I think I am nearing sleep time and I don't see what more to discuss. I agree with using an engine to do all you listed, but for training purposes vs. studying and experimenting I would suggest you turn the engine off and play from your own thinking.
You’ll understand when you have missed wins against 2000+ players.
Ahh, you are one of those people. Have you ever beaten them again and again and again? Winning once against a much higher rated player feels good, but that's all it does.
Enter a tournament with these higher rated players. See how many games you can win. A one off is just going to feed your ego.
Weren’t you going to bed?
Thats is my plan. The missed wins is plural btw. I’ll keep at it and work myself towards those opportunities.
Anytime you are free for a practice session, I would be more than happy to oblige and learn pointers from you.
Worst case, you win some, lose some and draw some.
Nov 5, 2022
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TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Weren’t you going to bed?
Thats is my plan.
Anytime you are free for a practice session, I would be more than happy to oblige and learn pointers from you.
Worst case, you win some, lose some and draw some.
I was going to bed, but when you mentioned winning I tried to find a female player recently played in a tournament and chose to play in the open section and not women's. I am pretty sure this happened, but I can't remember which event it was. I thought she was Taiwanese, but maybe Vietnamese. She surprisingly won a bunch of games and I think she was 1900.
The point of that was to show if you want to pat yourself on the back for winning higher rated players, you should really win a bunch. A one off is not a huge success. It's better to player many games over a longer period of time to really show that you have acquired skill and not just got lucky.
If you want to play, perhaps you want to do a daily. I'll open up my invites for the next half hour. Feel free to challenge me with daily or rapid. I think the blitz would not be good for either one of us.
I appreciate that. We can make arrangements for 15/10 like first to 2 or 3 or something. We can figure it out.
I appreciate the feedback.
Ok, now you’re just being insulting. Go beat 1900 players OTB and report back.
Me beating 1900 players OTB proves that a 1400 player online can beat a 2900 to 3200 strength engine?
You’re just being a troll.
The question was can you improve with playing bots? Not beating them.
And you went from 1300 to 1400 using a 2900-3200 engine? Why can't you go from 1400-1500 also then? I am not trolling, I am genuinely interested in why you peaked out at 1400.
I spend most of my focus on OTB and the time controls are classical.
I play 15/10 rapid and 5/5 sporadically for fun (you already have seen my rapid schedule for this year; it’s not many games relative to many and they come in bunches when I do play, then stop for long intervals. You also know that I frequently beat players 200-400 ratings points above me). I try to refrain from speed chess but sometimes you get the chess itch to play and online is a convenient avenue.
I am slowly and surely improving in “slow chess” and blessed to have training partners in that department which is one of the main reasons I am a member here. It took a lot of discipline to roll back online chess because I had to strip poor habits.
I am snowed in this weekend, if you like, it would be my pleasure to run some unrated 5/5 or 15/10 with you?