winning on time....ethical. ..??

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PossibleOatmeal

If you play a game with 0 increment, you are agreeing to turn the end of the game into a clock circus, so there's no point in complaining about it afterwards.  If want to avoid the clock circus, play a reasonable time control where chess takes center stage.

Watas_Capas
bobbyDK wrote:
Hamsterlight skrev:

LOL if you think you're bad at time management, play longer time controls easy as that   LOL.

some people lose on time even in 5 hour games. Some spent 30 minutes on an obvious move.

Lol, so what? Undecided That's an inappropriate answer to good advice , then play longer time controls than that while you're adjusting . Being bad at time controls now doesn't mean you have to be bad at it forever sheesh Yell. Try reading the link below. 

http://www.chess.com/chessopedia/view/saemisch-friedrich.

hugofianchetto

Yes, in chess, there are three types of advantages: material, positional and temporal.  We must contend with all three aspects of the game.  During an important tournament, one of my grade 6 students mated with only 7 seconds to go!  You can imagine his satisfaction at wining in such a dramatic manner!  I was so proud of him!  His team ended up with gold medals and championship trophy!  In the end, his calm composure enabled him to think while under stress.  So, this illustates that time control must be managed as well as your position (tactics and strategy).  I hope that my explanation is helpfull!  Pierre

Staxis

It is totally okay.  Yes, they made better moves, but the took longer to do it.  If they make such good moves that they think for 5 minutes in 5 minute blitz, that is their mistake.  With no delay couldn't the call something about winning chances?

varelse1

If my opponent loses on time, then he is guilty of poor time management, now isn't he?

hugofianchetto

There lies the beauty of chess: you can position your pieces in a wonderfull manner and create a virtous work of art, it is a competitive sport - challenging, race-like, full of suspense and intrigue and you must learn the science of chess: technique, tactics, strategy, etc. I love chess passionately!  It is thrilling, sometimes discouraging, sometimes awe-inspiring and we learn somthing new forever!

colinsaul

When I learned chess from my father I was told nothing about time controls. We settled family games in our own time. I think that the introduction of time controls curtails the growth of the beauty of chess.

I imagine that there are some positions where finding the right move could take ages. There are some games where the best moves emerge when time pressure is off in the analysis room.

It's not that the pressure to win on time is unethical; it produces rushed jobs.

hugofianchetto

It is true that a beautiful game where each opponent has all the time in the world to relect and plan each perfect move normally amounts to a better game - at least one would have the satisfaction of having tried ones best.  And we can play these games.  However, there are many types of games: blitz (5 minutes each), "end of the world", short tie-breakers, 20, 30, 45, 60, 90, 120 minutes tournament games.  There are as well long games with increments.  Therefore, one has the choice of either specializing in a particular type of game (rapid or long) according to personality and preferences or practicing all types and becoming an all-around versatile player.  In tournament situations, it is better to be comfortable with rapid as well as long because rapid tie-breaks may arrise.  To answer the question about ethicality: embarking in a game, players are aware of the rules and conditions and agree to them from the start.  They should train accordingly and win or loose, try to improve the aspects of their game.  We could also ask: is it ethical for players to win using the four move check mate, exploiting the lack of knowledge of their opponents?  And the answer would also be: opponents should learn this and how to counter, right?  What is your take on this?

sluck72

yes ethical because you both started out with the same amount of time. If you spend your time badly and the player wins on time that is part of the game. Give the opponent problems so they have to spend time on it then win on time. Totally ethical!

Jimmykay

If winning on time were unethical, we would not use clocks.

TheOldReb

In some circumstances and under certain time controls it is rather unethical to win on time .  I have seen arbiters in Europe declare certain positions drawn where the position was drawn and one player was just trying to " flag " the other .  

charvi

Hi all,

I hope my question is not the 101st, but anyway - I also won the game by lack of time of my opponent. I think the game was very tied and my opponent was very good player. I made a screenshot of the last move so my question is - is there an option to finish the game with my opponent?  Even without rating - but you know the feeling when the game is not finished...

 

Is there any chance to play it here on chess.com?  Would it be possible to make it if not?  I think a lot of players would accept it.

 

I know there is some mode for analysing games where you could set the board by yourself, but I think there is no possibility to invite a reall opponent to that, is it?

 

Thank you

Jakub

TheGrobe
Houdini_Genius wrote:

I just played a game with my opponent wherein I m almost losing because of opponent's decisive material advantage. But only thing was in my favour is he was low on time...n finally he couldn't convert his advantage to full point because of time trouble.

How do guys feel is it ethical to continue the game in order 2 win on time or people should resign from there since he already outplayed. ..??

Let me know ur thoughts...??

Thanks!

He managed the board better than you, you managed your time better than him.  Which one is the decisive advantage?  Only time will tell....

schachfan1

Just a question ... If I would not like at all that my opponents lose on time, and if I see that my opponent has just a couple of hours left before his/her time-out - what can I really do to prevent his/her time forfeit?

TheGrobe

Start a game with more forgiving time controls next time.

TheGrobe

I actually think that there is a setting in correspondence chess that lets you turn off the automatic claim of wins on time.

TheGrobe

Yep, right here:

http://www.chess.com/home/echess_settings

Not for live chess, but it's something.

The_Ghostess_Lola
LongIslandMark wrote:

A win is a win is a win. If you feel bad about winning on time, consider it was your better play or better prep that made your opponent spend time thinking and therefore got into time trouble.

Plus 2 (the victory symbol w/ your hand ?)....and remember, if u feel guilty ?....well, it won't last long....peace out my darling. 

colinsaul

I think that resigning in a timed game because you accept you have been outplayed is the sort of decent thing that the English would do.

hugofianchetto

OK I have a question: children taking part in a tournament.  Some players forget to press their clock after their move.  Should their opponent remind them that they forgot, or simply use the opponent's elapsing time to think?  Is it ethical to let your opponent's time elapse (keeping in mind that tourneys are competitive - just like any other sport).