winning on time....ethical. ..??

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PearlFey
Reb wrote:

Another huge plus for the 30 sec increment is that neither player can ever stop keeping score . I have so many incomplete scoresheets due  to not keeping score when either player gets below 5 minutes and prefer complete/accurate scoresheets . 

I read somewhere that all IMs can recall every move of every game they played afterwards. Is that something you can learn?

bangalore2

No, not all IMs can. But I had an IM coach who memorized 67 moves of a game, but that was because it was his favorite. Given my game is less than 30-Ish moves, I can play it out afterwards. It basically has to do with being familiar with chess patterns.

PearlFey

Oh. So it takes a GM level to recall everything?

schachfan1
TurboFish wrote:
schachfan1 wrote:

@TurboFish, just wanted to ask about the item in your list:

go on vacation in the middle of a game

As far as I can notice, there are not so many people playing less than a dozen of correspondence games simultaneously (as a rule it's over 25-30 probably), and if following that issue about not going on vacation in the middle of a game - for rather many people it would last forever till they at last can go on vacation  Or maybe you don't mean correspondence games

Hello schachfan1,

I did mean "correspondence" games (the older terminology), which chess.com refers to as "online" games (a useless label since all games here, fast or slow, are "online").  Anyway, I agree with your point that those of us who have many chronologically overlapping correspondence games would never be able to take a vacation if we wanted to avoid making our opponents wait.  This is one of the major reasons to patiently accept opponents' vacation.

Of course some people take a long vacation to delay facing defeat, but it seems to me that these people hurt themseles by exhausting their vacation prematurely, instead of saving it for when they really need it.  And what's the point of prolonging the "agony" of an "embarassing" defeat?  Spite?  I feel sorry for people who hurt themseles merely to spite another over a game of chess.

I totally agree about the strange name - "online games". And as for patience in accepting opponents' vacation - for me personally, I just don't understand how my opponents' vacation should hurt me, just likewise I would take a vacation - why should my vacation hurt my opponents in any way? Even if I see that my opponent's defeat is almost inevitable or even obviously inevitable - why at all should I be upset or disappointed because my opponent takes a vacation at that moment? Some people say it does not look nice that some players do not resign in obviously lost positions in hope to win a lost game on time (I can agree though, it's not so nice). But if you lose on time a completely won game - for me personally it does not make any difference whether you lose on time an obviously won or an obviously lost game. Your own time forfeit is just your own problem, and not anyone's else problem. And in any case your opponent's vacation can't be some serious reason for your own problems of being upset, disappointed or annoyed (or whatever else you may call it). With all that - I mean a quite normal duration of vacation of about one month (just like we have a one month vacation every year to have some rest from work). But when people, together with this or that kind of paid membership get a two or even three month vacation available ... - even the most patient people may become annoyed or angry because of the very possible vacation abuse by their opponents when those opponents have at their disposal 90 days of vacation out of 365 days of the year ... really no comment here ...

BigAlex

rules are rules...

TheGrobe

Tatuologies are tautologies...

bobbyDK

some may say it is unethical to win on time if the tournament has a rule that if you are not there 30 minutes after the game starts and you are declared winner after 30 minutes and the opponent shows up at 32 minutes and you are on your way out.

marambakila

Houdini_Genius wrote:

I just played a game with my opponent wherein I m almost losing because of opponent's decisive material advantage. But only thing was in my favour is he was low on time...n finally he couldn't convert his advantage to full point because of time trouble.

How do guys feel is it ethical to continue the game in order 2 win on time or people should resign from there since he already outplayed. ..??

Let me know ur thoughts...??

Thanks!

time is part of the strategy. it is a resource just like pieces

camberfoil

I would say that winning on time is perfectly ethical. However, if there is a circumstance such as disability on the part of one's opponent, that should be taken into consideration if it would cause them an unfair disadvantage.

hugofianchetto

Still on the subject of ethics, Houdini Genius, is it ethical for countries to acquire players from other countries to stack teams for the Olympiads??

schachfan1
hugofianchetto wrote:

Still on the subject of ethics, Houdini Genius, is it ethical for countries to acquire players from other countries to stack teams for the Olympiads??

Hikaru Nakamura represented ....... the USA ........

Jimmykay
schachfan1 wrote:
hugofianchetto wrote:

Still on the subject of ethics, Houdini Genius, is it ethical for countries to acquire players from other countries to stack teams for the Olympiads??

Hikaru Nakamura represented ....... the USA ........

Nakamura is very much an American. I am not sure what you are implying.

schachfan1

Yes, he might be very much an American, I won't argue. I just meant his "American" appearance and his "American" name ... Anyway his chess abilities deserve admiration.

As for @hugofianchetto's statement, "Still on the subject of ethics, Houdini Genius, is it ethical for countries to acquire players from other countries to stack teams for the Olympiads??", the only thing I wanted to say is that chess players are probably free to choose for what country to play at chess olympiads, tournaments and wherever else, regardless of chess player's country of origin

schachfan1
BigAlex wrote:

rules are rules...

nice rules are nice rules ...

Jimmykay
schachfan1 wrote:

Yes, he might be very much an American, I won't argue. I just meant his "American" appearance and his "American" name ...

What does that mean? What is an "American appearance"??

What is an "american name"??

You realize that you are being offensively racist, right?

PlentyOToole

So many questions, so little imagination.

schachfan1
Jimmykay wrote:
schachfan1 wrote:

Yes, he might be very much an American, I won't argue. I just meant his "American" appearance and his "American" name ...

What does that mean? What is an "American appearance"??

What is an "american name"??

You realize that you are being offensively racist, right?

Why do you say that, Jimmy????? As far as I understand, racists are those who hate people of other races. I do not hate people of other races or any races at all. The thing I want to say is that any chess player from any country can choose himself/herself for what country to play, even if it is more than obvious that a player who represents some country at some tournament or olympiad is from another coutnry. Why on earth do you speak about racism?? I just mean that Hikaru Nakamura is a Japanese, but represents the USA at chess tournaments or other chess events.

Jimmykay
schachfan1 wrote:
Jimmykay wrote:
schachfan1 wrote:

Yes, he might be very much an American, I won't argue. I just meant his "American" appearance and his "American" name ...

What does that mean? What is an "American appearance"??

What is an "american name"??

You realize that you are being offensively racist, right?

Why do you say that, Jimmy????? As far as I understand, racists are those who hate people of other races. I do not hate people of other races or any races at all. The thing I want to say is that any chess player from any country can choose himself/herself for what country to play, even if it is more than obvious that a player who represents some country at some tournament or olympiad is from another coutnry. Why on earth do you speak about racism?? I just mean that Hikaru Nakamura is a Japanese, but represents the USA at chess tournaments or other chess events.

Racism does not have to be about hate. It is sometimes more subtle than that. You think that there is an American skin color? An American name? You are wrong.

Nakamura was born to a mother with American citizenship. His passport is American, not Japanese. When you say he is "a Japanese but represents the USA" you are wrong.

He is American with PART Japanese ethnicity.

You are being racist in that you are conflating race with nationality.

I am a US citizen with European ancestry. That does not make me German.

schachfan1

No offences meant, thank you for correcting me

Jimmykay
schachfan1 wrote:

No offences meant, thank you for correcting me

you are welcome.