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knighttour2

So I'm playing in a daily team match, rated, and my opponent appeared to mouse slip his queen after 7 moves:

He immediately resigned.  All of this happened when I was asleep, and I awoke to find a free win and 22 free rating points.  My question to you all is what would you have done if you were me and your opponent offered a draw.  This is a rated game in a somewhat important team match.  A draw would have cost me about 8 points and would cost the team a free win, although it's possible I could have won later.  In blitz it's considered polite (although not mandatory) to give a draw in a equal position after a clear mouse slip but daily generally allows you to confirm your move (although this feature can be turned off) and isn't nearly as hectic as blitz, where mouse slips are common.  Because of this my first thought is that the player screwing up has much less of an excuse in daily.

On the other hand, I know that chess.com's app can be...problematic when it comes to placing the piece on the correct square, even in daily, and I almost learned the hard way never to use my phone to play daily chess if I consider the game important.  On the other, other hand, I have no idea if my opponent was using the app, or what happened.  Thoughts?

IMKeto

Rules are rules.  Just like in OTB play.  Sure it sucks to lose that way, but who knows?  maybe your opponent was simply moving fast, wasn't paying attention, who knows? 

What would i do?  If it was a friendly unrated game, i would let them take the move back.  If it was an OTB game?  Obviously touch move rule applies, and as long as they didn't release the queen, they could move it somewhere else.  If they had released the queen on the square, then that's their move.  I will say that since this is a team match, and it impacts the team your playing on.  No, i would not offer a draw.

stiggling

I met a random person while playing anonymous unrated blitz games, and we ended up playing a long series of games.

The person was a bit better than me, and one game in particular I was outplayed completely... and then s/he blundered the queen. Not a mouse slip, but an enormous oversight.

So I took the queen and immediately resigned, just to show respect and that I really was enjoying our games. It didn't matter if there was a rematch or anything like that, I just did it for my own sake because it felt right.

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Other than very rare cases like this, I don't give any draws or takebacks or anything. If it's a long hard game and you blunder your queen, too bad, better luck next time.

MickinMD

In a daily game, you do NOT have mouse slips because you have to hit the "Submit" button after you make your move on the board - unless you foolishly set the Submit Button to "off" under Settings/Daily Chess.

So I would assume the move was a mental slip, not a mouse slip - as I have done in live games - and I would not have offered the draw in daily chess as I would in Live Chess.

knighttour2
MickinMD wrote:

In a daily game, you do NOT have mouse slips because you have to hit the "Submit" button after you make your move on the board - unless you foolishly set the Submit Button to "off" under Settings/Daily Chess.

So I would assume the move was a mental slip, not a mouse slip - as I have done in live games - and I would not have offered the draw in daily chess as I would in Live Chess.

Given the particulars of the position, I have a hard time believing this was a mental slip.  In this line of the Trompowsky, black temporarily sacs his knight on e4 because after Qb4+ white has two hanging pieces, the Ne4 and the Bf4 and there is no way to defend them both.  If black didn't see Qb4+ followed by Qxe4 he wouldn't have sacked his knight on move 5 by playing Qxb2 and leaving the piece hanging.

The other issue I have is that even if black completely missed that Qd4 allows pawn takes queen and wins instantly, black is still a piece down from his knight sac, so even if I also overlooked pawn takes queen and played queen takes queen instead, I'm still up a full piece with no comp.

Black's daily rating is above 1900 and given that he played a theoretical temporary piece sac I can't believe he somehow forgot the correct capture and blundered his queen.

gambit-man

I would never ask for a takeback, and similarly never expect my opponent to ask for one...

knighttour2
ChessGirlMayumi wrote:

I would not offer a draw.

I certainly wouldn't offer a draw either, but I would have thought about accepting one had my opponent asked for it.

congrandolor

I would accept a draw. However, being a team match, I previously would ask my teammates opinion

krudsparov

I guy made a similar mistake with me a while back losing a Q, it clearly wasn't the move he intended so I offered a draw. It wasn't a tournament so no big deal, he carried on anyway.