kco wrote:
keep on working on your BS is getting better for sure.
It's true. Machines don't lie. The game goes to 0.21.
A dead draw.
The game doesn't count if I didn't copy Rybka.
Hence it's void.
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Helzeth wrote:
http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=54200626
Since the game is essentially over I see no harm in posting it (though he might find another impossible draw with his rybka analysis, he did say after all that the position on move 46 is a forced draw!
I ran through the game now with fritz and saw that nd2 was a huge mistake. I was still much better, of course but not instantly winning.
rf1 was the move I was supposed to do there, apparently. But it did not really matter. I never really thought of it. The reason I bring this up was because our resident retard here said that one mistake=lost for white. I did just about one of the biggest mistakes possible except for a blunder and I still won. So.. yeah.
Nd2 draws the game, idiot.
Get better software.
I'm not trolling. I'm stating fact.
There is no win here after Nd2.
The cocky little kid thinks he won because he had a better position.
Funny stuff.
It's a dead draw after Nd2.
kco wrote:
dream on Yereslov you're the cocky one.
It's the truth. An extra bishop isn't enough to win.
pfren wrote:
No, there's no need to use an engine in a position where I am virtually one and a half piece up, and Black is threatening nothing if white doesn't blunder badly.
Look son, I basically hate stealing candies from babies.
If I lose, I will pay you directly.
If I win, you will pay the full sum directly to chess.com, as membership fee, subscription, or whatever else you wish. If you don't, then... you can guess what will happen.
Deal?
You're not getting it are you? This isn't the 1800's. Modern players focus on the position, not on the material.
The idea is that after all the pieces are exchanged white will be left with a single bishop.
A single bishop draws. My pawn majority is what draws or wins the game.
Helzeth's game doesn't count because I didn't play the move the computer recommended.
The position went from 1.20++ for white to 0.00-0.20.
After Nd2 the position is a dead draw.
I should have played Rad8 but I played the losing move.
I even posted analysis showing my draw with Helzeth.
You may be a 2200, but you could never win against Rybka even in a bad position.
Firepower8 wrote:
man, yeserlov got owned!! yes sir i luv :)
I didn't play Rad8, which is a draw.
pfren wrote:
So, 16.Qh5 Qf6 (you can't protect both your hanging pieces, the h3 bishop and the check from g6 at the same time) 17.dc5 Bg4 18.Qh4 Nh3+ 19.Kh2 looks like a draw to you, right?
How many pieces down you have to be to admit you are "slightly worse"?
But OK, feel free to challenge me as Black in a 4-game match, starting by 16.Qh5, one move per day.
I will allow you using engines, GM's or whatever else you please.
The tariff is very appetizing for you:
50 $ for each of white's wins
100 $ for each black win
50 $ for Black if he manages to draw.
Here is your chance. At worst, you will emerge being $ 200 poorer. At best, your theory that extra pieces don't count will triumph.
Interested?
A slight disadvantage isn't enough.
This game could either draw or win for both sides in a human game.
The computer gives your variation about 1.50.
A slight slip like moving the rook or a pawn gives away this advantage.
If you are arguing that if humans played like a computer it would be a loss, then yes, but a human vs a computer in this position either draws or wins.
alexlaw wrote:
looks like the lost the bet and bought the silver tiara lol.
It was a draw after Nd2, which means I win the bet.
Helzeth wrote:
Deal. Lets go.
If you lose you arent allowed to post in the forums for 6 months. If I lose I'll leave chess.com.
This was the bet. GTFO. Nobody likes you. Nobody.
It's just like highschool all over again for you isnt it?
Yereslov wrote:
alexlaw wrote:
looks like the lost the bet and bought the silver tiara lol.
It was a draw after Nd2, which means I win the bet.
I can certainly see a dead brain here. Not a dead draw, though- white is still winning. I guess there is no point challenging you to play this "dead draw" as you have already proved that you don't deliver your promises.
Also the whole thing is completely irrelevant, as after 16...Kh7? white can safely gobble a second piece by 17.Kxf2 ed4 18.b4 Qf6+ 19.Ke2 Rae8 20.Kd2 (I guess 20.e5 is also more than adequate, but feeding trolls with pawns can be hazardous for their health) dc3+ 21.Kc2, when the only thing left to Black is his misery.
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If you are arguing that if humans played like a computer it would be a loss, then yes, but a human vs a computer in this position either draws or wins."
Hence, immortal game. Yes, sir.
pfren wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
alexlaw wrote:
looks like the lost the bet and bought the silver tiara lol.
It was a draw after Nd2, which means I win the bet.
I can certainly see a dead brain here. Not a dead draw, though- white is still winning. I guess there is no point challenging you to play this "dead draw" as you have already proved that you don't deliver your promises.
Also the whole thing is completely irrelevant, as after 16...Kh7? white can safely gobble a second piece by 17.Kxf2 ed4 18.b4 Qf6+ 19.Ke2 Rae8 20.Kd2 (I guess 20.e5 is also more than adequate, but feeding trolls with pawns can be hazardous for their health) dc3+ 21.Kc2, when the only thing left to Black is his misery.
I tried your idea with Rybka. It does even worse.
pfren wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
alexlaw wrote:
looks like the lost the bet and bought the silver tiara lol.
It was a draw after Nd2, which means I win the bet.
I can certainly see a dead brain here. Not a dead draw, though- white is still winning. I guess there is no point challenging you to play this "dead draw" as you have already proved that you don't deliver your promises.
Also the whole thing is completely irrelevant, as after 16...Kh7? white can safely gobble a second piece by 17.Kxf2 ed4 18.b4 Qf6+ 19.Ke2 Rae8 20.Kd2 (I guess 20.e5 is also more than adequate, but feeding trolls with pawns can be hazardous for their health) dc3+ 21.Kc2, when the only thing left to Black is his misery.
Just admit that Rybka is better than you in every single way.
The great thing about machines is that they are not affected by psychology. They are pure calculating machines.
Helzeth wrote:
Helzeth wrote:
Deal. Lets go.
If you lose you arent allowed to post in the forums for 6 months. If I lose I'll leave chess.com.
This was the bet. GTFO. Nobody likes you. Nobody.
It's just like highschool all over again for you isnt it?
No, the deal was that you would play Rybka. I didn't play the move the machine wanted, hence the game is void.
Yereslov wrote:
I tried your idea with Rybka. It does even worse.
After 17.Kxf2 wwite is two perfectly safe pieces up, and that is that.
A little tip: Before using Rybka you have to plug the computer in.
pfren wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
I tried your idea with Rybka. It does even worse.
After 17.Kxf2 wwite is two perfectly safe pieces up, and that is that.
A little tip: Before using Rybka you have to plug the computer in.
Sorry, but after Nd2 it's a dead draw.
Please don't compare yourself to an opponent three to five hundred points higher than you.
keep on working on your BS is getting better for sure.