You all should get watching the Aronian/Anand match right now

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pfren

That would leave white with an extra protected passer at e6, plus the superior minor piece. For Magnus class, this is piece of cake.

EternalChess
SmyslovFan wrote:

WOW!

What a great game by Anand! his 2012 may have been forgettable, but he's come roaring back so far in this tournament. Congratulations to Anand!

Anand wins with home prep.. what will happen when he faces Carlsen who leaves Anand's prep in the dust? When skill comes Anand does nothing but run and draw. 

mrkint

Apparently he found f5 over the board. top lad.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5vSn9JhVnA

EternalChess
mrkint wrote:

Apparently he found f5 over the board. top lad.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5vSn9JhVnA

He is just saying that.. why would any GM say "It was all home prep for me.." They need to look like geniuses and pretend they didn't prepare this but came up with it over the board.

Plus f5 isn't so hard to find, the home prep did all the dirty work for Anand, and he just finished it with simple chess.

varelse1

That game makes me wanna play the ponziani. lol

Vivinski
SerbianChessStar wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

WOW!

What a great game by Anand! his 2012 may have been forgettable, but he's come roaring back so far in this tournament. Congratulations to Anand!

Anand wins with home prep.. what will happen when he faces Carlsen who leaves Anand's prep in the dust? When skill comes Anand does nothing but run and draw. 

lol, Anand won two games back to back and is currently leading (I think) one of the strongest tournament in the world.

Also I'd like to see YOU play Anand. Will that be a draw you think?

SmyslovFan
SerbianChessStar wrote:

All home prep.. YAWN.. boring stuff. Aronian played childish and Anand used his home prep.. nothing interesting.

Don't ever go to an art museum, you'll be bored to death.

 

This game was a work of genius by Anand. Whether it was home prep or not, it was still brilliant. Anand's use of the clock suggests he was working hard at the board. I look forward to seeing Anand's interview.

Nedersaks
mrkint wrote:
Naraga wrote:

So where can we watch this OP?

10/10 thread telling us to watch something without a link. Temtped to neg.

OH NOES, DON'T NEG ME 

You can watch games on chessbomb.com - if not, you could use google and type in 'tata steel chess'. That tends to work.

EternalChess
Vivinski wrote:
SerbianChessStar wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

WOW!

What a great game by Anand! his 2012 may have been forgettable, but he's come roaring back so far in this tournament. Congratulations to Anand!

Anand wins with home prep.. what will happen when he faces Carlsen who leaves Anand's prep in the dust? When skill comes Anand does nothing but run and draw. 

lol, Anand won two games back to back and is currently leading (I think) one of the strongest tournament in the world.

Also I'd like to see YOU play Anand. Will that be a draw you think?

He's leading 2 in a row, and Anand's game yesterday was nice! But todays game was all home prep.. which takes flair away from the game.

pfren
mrkint wrote:

Apparently he found f5 over the board. top lad.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5vSn9JhVnA

When doing serious opening preparation, you leave nothing at random. White has two candidate moves after Ng4, taking on h7 with knight (as he did) or bishop. When reviewing all that complex stuff some 1+ year after preparing, it's quite natural not remembering everything, and recalling.

Pretty sure that the position after 19...f5 has appeared on his monitor at least once when preparing. This is simply how the top GM's are working- after all the whole variation is no more than 7 moves deeper from the former book position.

In short, the food was delicious, but I do not think that Aruna had cooked this! Tongue Out

On the other hand, Carlsen usually cooks on the board, since he is too lazy to prepare something going over move six, or so.

varelse1

Carlsen, Karjakin, and Anand all share first ATM

SmyslovFan

Anand says where his home prep ended. He had not analysed 16.Be2?  He ranks this "definitely one of my best games". He considers this and his other win against Aronian as Black as "classics".

Of course, you can choose not to believe him. But I don't see why you would find it boring. Had you already discovered this entire game at home? 

mrkint

Kingcrusher's put his analysis vid up

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCrU9410vSo

Scottrf
SmyslovFan wrote:

Anand says where his home prep ended. He had not analysed 16.Be2?  He ranks this "definitely one of my best games". He considers this and his other win against Aronian as Black as "classics".

Of course, you can choose not to believe him. But I don't see why you would find it boring. Had you already discovered this entire game at home? 

Yeah exactly, what does it matter if he's seen some of it before if you haven't?

waffllemaster
Estragon wrote:
pfren wrote:

On the other hand, Carlsen usually cooks on the board, since he is too lazy to prepare something going over move six, or so.

I think he looks at preparation as a waste of time.  He could spent days working on novelties in main lines like Kasparov did, but would have to also anticipate the opponents' new ideas on the way, and at best the new move is good for one game and then solved.  Instead, he just gets out of the main theory and outplays them over the board.

If you can do that, why prepare anything?

I'm wondering how true this is for players in general or if Carlsen is an exception to the rule.

Elubas

It's true that works for Carlsen. Nonetheless, I wonder if Carlsen's rating would be even higher if his preparation was better. For a world number one, it is not uncommon to see Magnus in an awkward position early on -- that ...e6 stuff he did in his second round game (I think) being one of many examples. He certainly makes do with those positions, but it makes me wonder -- if he can get out of trouble so much in inferior positions, just imagine what he could do if he consistently started from really good positions.

Still, it says a lot, a ton in fact, that Carlsen can succeed so strongly as he does. But just because it's not required doesn't mean it couldn't be helpful. If the prep gave Anand an easy game, there's no denying that no matter what Carlsen is doing.

waffllemaster

Yeah, I think it's mainly my aversion to opening study that makes me want to believe it's completely unnecessary.

varelse1

Carslsen is in the same boat as Capablanca. Brilliant, but lazy.

Elubas

It's certainly low on the list of priorities, probably even for most master level players.

I think the real help from openings is not substantially the objectively better positions you get (although this may be a small help), but just the fact that you have an idea of how the game is likely to proceed -- you can already get a sense for what structures you want to achieve and avoid regarding possible endgame positions that may be reached, and you can more quickly (and confidently!) come up with a middlegame plan. It makes you less likely to feel "lost" in a position, a feeling that often doesn't mean well for your ensuing play.

Under 1800, do very little opening study. From 1800-2000, where I am now, I would say to still not do too much, but it may help to not completely ignore it for reasons mentioned above. As Carlsen shows, it is possible, but may create a heavy burden on your resourcefulness.

waffllemaster

Exactly... and that's not really opening study to me, that's middlegame study.  You look at the opening in terms of the middlegame.  I don't have a problem with this, it can be fun.

I'm guessing professional players already know all these themes, and their opening study is really all about the opening.