Your Opponent Won't Resign Be Creative!

We have to see a diagram of the board to truly know for sure if it would have been a draw. Like what rank were the pawns on and location of Rooks and kings with respect to pawns.

Resign is put in play when a situation is hopeless. Hopeless means dominated which means it was not  competitive chess. In that game it was a class thing from your opponent which makes it enjoyable to play him again. Hey did he give you tips on what you should have done to win the game?

As for a player that does not resign in a lost situation even no option for a draw......... Enjoy the game...no, want a rematch no, want to tell them where they went wrong......yes if you want to show some class and maybe they stop doing it.

That was only a small part of what I meant by "detriment" But you are partially right.

For one thing what may not be detrimental to you could possibly be detrimental to your opponent. 

Also, something could possibly be detrimental to you without you knowing it.

So, while we agree on some things you and I have a somewhat different philospphy on how we play competitive chess. Part of the difference comes from the fact that we have each played different types of chess-me mostly correspondence chess where a game can take a year. Also, we play different types of players.  

I can remember my last "offical" USCF  game ["official as I won 8 games after that which were not counted"]

Anyway, in that last "official" over the board game it was quite different from correspondence.  I was playing a USCF master who was a former Illinois State Champion and I was totally exhausted for many reasons and we got into a rook and pawn end game where I was up two pawns. But my head was swimming and I could not find the win.  In the end it was drawn and my opponent kept saying: "You were up two pawns and did not win!"

"You were up two pawns and only got a draw!"  "You were up two pawns, and I got a draw!"  and you know what? He was right!

Those are precisely the moments I am talking about -- that intensity is, again, what I love about competitive chess. I would imagine where we disagree is when/if we have a position where we say ok, I get fighting spirit, but this is "just ridiculous." I don't see a need to draw the line anywhere. Up two queens? Just maintain focus and you'll do fine. That's really all I would be asking someone to do if I played on a position like that (which I wouldn't most likely): you can probably win it, just maintain focus, don't make some rash miscalculation that you wouldn't normally make, mate me, and shake my hand.

There does not need to be any sort of disrespect, or lack of faith in the opponent, behind something like that.

As you said, maybe it's different in postal chess, due to its length, if that's what you play. Although even here on chess.com it's not a big deal for me if there is an easy win still going on, as it won't bother me until a few days later when I need to move.

There are actually many ways of resigning.

1) Knocking your king down

2) Resetting the clock

3) Shaking hands.

Either one of them, two of them, but I do all of them when I resign OTB.

My view on resigning:

I usually do not resign against lower rated players because I'm basically sending them a challenge, sort of like "You think you're winning? Prove it!."

I find it annoying when people are on vacation in online chess just intentionally.

Also, it looks "unprofessional" to play it out, sort of does disrespect your opponent. At least do it quickly. That's why I use conditional moves, saves a lot of time. Before that I first use the analysis board located on the screen next to the  chess board, just to make sure. 

As your rating gets higher and higher, it becomes more of an etiquette to resign, unless your opponent is tired. Usually on this site I will resign when down a rook or sometimes play it out to mate (rarely). OTB I do not resign when down a piece, I instead try to complicate things. For example, one OTB against someone 300 points higher than me I was a piece down, but purposely made pawn weaknesses to open a g-file to a castled king and fought on until my opponent could not stop mate. 

Overall, it just depends on the seriousness of the game.

I love the endgame.  If I am playing someone who should resign because he is so far behind in material, rather than get upset, I try to see the mate as quickly as possible.  It's great practice.  I don't think anyone is above a good workout to find the shortest road to mate. It will sharpen your game.

Actually, If I'm bored I would go for a picturesque mate. Like this one, where I could easily simplify:

http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=60941686

Yes, try to find the quickest mate is another way to be creative. Also trying to set up a picturesque mate as in your example is another way to be creative.

Which reminds me, I once was winning from a high  ranking opponent and he set up a picturesque mate but it was a forced sequence where I would mate him!!!

Luckily I don't get frustrated when my opponent plays on

and luckily for me that my opponents almost never played on...

Yeah i can say that if i am only playing .....6 games.  If they do not move you go to forums and chat.

Many of us have Team Matches where we are needed to join. These non resigners are one of an Admins biggest problems for not getting players into team matches as they are stuck trying to win a game that should be over.

When, I was playing 50 games at once, for years, I did not have that problem.

But now I can see if someone wants to play in Team Matches there is a big disincentive not to.

And this is a problem that the administration should address but very probably are afraid to.  

@ponz111 - That's like I was saying earlier in a post. Use it as a way to sharpen your game. 

Revenge. you lost me--what do I use as a way to sharpen my game?

[probably, I missed something]

I ran out of options on being creative when my opponent does not resign. Now down to my last trick.

I found that no matter i do when they are down to where they can not even get a positional draw at best they play for a ..... Time Out or DRAW by some rule where a capture is not made in like 20 moves. That is how i got my last draw. Have to check into it. I just knew all of the sudden came up game ended in a draw and my opponent had options to move and we both had Queens on the board. I had checked him 20+ consecutive times. I was taught when opponent offer me a draw do not take it. Somehow there must be a win  or they fell real tired and might blunder giving me the chance to win.

Royalbishop, if you check your opponent 20 times in a row--this is not one side or the other having a completely losing game.

Aaaaaah i am talking about how the game came out a draw. I am unfamaliar with the draw rule. When i learned it was 21 move rule only.

The game i was checking my opponent 20+ consecutive ended by draw from 20 moves ago from last capture. That is the only way i could see it coming a draw. I did not offer a draw or accept a draw. It just came up game ends in a draw. I was left ......"what happen". Going to have to check on the site rule of a Draw Game!

Oh in that game at first stage my opponent wanted me to resign. We both had queens he was going for another then i started with the consecutive checks. Then he offer me a draw and i went to try for a win. Only because when i was taught to decline a draw if offered most likely you have a win by mate or they are tired and may blunder soon giving me a win so play on.

Yeah i wanted my opponent to resign even though he had a passed pawn. The other rule a desperate opponent is half to losing, just have to push them the other half of the way over the cliff. I believed i had the upper hand and wanted him to resign as our moves had been going on consecutively for almost 24 hrs straight and i was not a bit tired. I keep taking things to keep me awake. Wide awake!

Royal, I do not think the draw was because of a 20 move rule--there is a 50 move rule. I think if you will go over your game you will see that the same position was repeated at least 3 times and very probably your opponent asked for a draw and was granted because of the same position 3 time rule.

He is saying, in his opinion, most players who play on in clearly lost positions are  hacks or jerks.  One can be a bad player and not be a hack or jerk, and if fact almost all bad players are not hacks or jerks.

It is not necessarily true that if good players  know how to resign than  this means that those players who do not know how to resign are "just bad players"   they can be bad players and also jerks.  His logic is not flawed at all.  His opinion may be a little extreme but there is no flaw in this logic.

By the way, I have a new puzzle to solve which is quite different from the first puzzle at the start of this thread--really different--but it relates to some of the ideas of this thread.  This new puzzle actually happened in a game while the first puzzle, I made up [of course].

Well i figure a way to get the ball rolling on being creative about this subject. A list of players who do not resign in a hopeless situation and post the game after it is finished. Then we post at what point the game was over and clearly they should resign.

Funny how this is acceptable in Vote Chess. But the result is the team that has to mate them has no respect for them whatsoever. Rematch? Only if your team has been around for a while and tough to beat in a game. Other than that teams will play The Resign team for a easy win when they need a win period.

When they do not want to resign just grab everything that works. But it does not work for individual games as the chance for a Time Out is always possible and they try to keep it in play. This the real issue. Not resigning is just a way to get a win by Time Out. If they win by T.O. it just says you were the better player but they outmaneuver you for a cheap victory. Saying you  want to play it to end .... just hiding behing the corner waiting to ambush your opponent. Like a thief in the night.

When up in a game they most likely move fast, stay online all day. Leave comments that are not friendly. In some cases......ask you to resign. ??  Very sure if they were to play the same game face to face that king be in tilt position for a resign.

Yet to run into this problem in Team Matches. Why? They have a comment section and both teams can see the game as it being played and how it ended. Solution, problem fixed.

Another solution when in a lost position without the option for a positional draw and they refuse to resign they get double the amount of points off their rank for losing. This has been tried in a Vote Chess league and works.