Your thoughts on the chess principle to not move pawns except centre pawns and passed pawns

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manoj05 wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

Dang, I am the ultimate pawn pusher. I'm not sure what to think about this.


...Are all positions I thrive in. Personally I think I improved a lot when I recognized how to implement effective pawn storms.

 

Your 4th game is Evans gambit and I see in your games that you play this quite often. In Evans its quite normal to push the b and then c pawn and no harm in it.

In remaining 3 games - in all 3 your queen side bishop, knight and rook are not yet developed. But your opponent also has not done proper piece development and I don't know if you forced him by your moves to not be able to development or you are just lucky he did not do development.

Maybe if you share the entire game for first 3 then it can be analysed.

1. Comes out of a Leningrad Bird opening, is very typical. Arises when Black pushes the d-pawn late.

2. Classical King's Indian Defense

3. Ponziani Opening, black to move

4. Evans (but you already know that)

In short, they are all openings lmao

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SNUDOO wrote:
manoj05 wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

Dang, I am the ultimate pawn pusher. I'm not sure what to think about this.


...Are all positions I thrive in. Personally I think I improved a lot when I recognized how to implement effective pawn storms.

 

Your 4th game is Evans gambit and I see in your games that you play this quite often. In Evans its quite normal to push the b and then c pawn and no harm in it.

In remaining 3 games - in all 3 your queen side bishop, knight and rook are not yet developed. But your opponent also has not done proper piece development and I don't know if you forced him by your moves to not be able to development or you are just lucky he did not do development.

Maybe if you share the entire game for first 3 then it can be analysed.

1. Comes out of a Leningrad Bird opening, is very typical. Arises when Black pushes the d-pawn late.

2. Classical King's Indian Defense

3. Ponziani Opening, black to move

4. Evans (but you already know that)

In short, they are all openings lmao

The main line of the KID goes like this:

 

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An_asparagusic_acid wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
manoj05 wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

Dang, I am the ultimate pawn pusher. I'm not sure what to think about this.


...Are all positions I thrive in. Personally I think I improved a lot when I recognized how to implement effective pawn storms.

 

Your 4th game is Evans gambit and I see in your games that you play this quite often. In Evans its quite normal to push the b and then c pawn and no harm in it.

In remaining 3 games - in all 3 your queen side bishop, knight and rook are not yet developed. But your opponent also has not done proper piece development and I don't know if you forced him by your moves to not be able to development or you are just lucky he did not do development.

Maybe if you share the entire game for first 3 then it can be analysed.

1. Comes out of a Leningrad Bird opening, is very typical. Arises when Black pushes the d-pawn late.

2. Classical King's Indian Defense

3. Ponziani Opening, black to move

4. Evans (but you already know that)

In short, they are all openings lmao

The main line of the KID goes like this:

 

Ok but close enough... The pawn structure is what I was after, not the entire mainline.

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SNUDOO wrote:
An_asparagusic_acid wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
manoj05 wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

Dang, I am the ultimate pawn pusher. I'm not sure what to think about this.


...Are all positions I thrive in. Personally I think I improved a lot when I recognized how to implement effective pawn storms.

 

Your 4th game is Evans gambit and I see in your games that you play this quite often. In Evans its quite normal to push the b and then c pawn and no harm in it.

In remaining 3 games - in all 3 your queen side bishop, knight and rook are not yet developed. But your opponent also has not done proper piece development and I don't know if you forced him by your moves to not be able to development or you are just lucky he did not do development.

Maybe if you share the entire game for first 3 then it can be analysed.

1. Comes out of a Leningrad Bird opening, is very typical. Arises when Black pushes the d-pawn late.

2. Classical King's Indian Defense

3. Ponziani Opening, black to move

4. Evans (but you already know that)

In short, they are all openings lmao

The main line of the KID goes like this:

 

Ok but close enough... The pawn structure is what I was after, not the entire mainline.

True, it was an example to prove a point.

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Early on in the game, it is definitely recommendable to prioritize piece development over pushing pawns! Moving too many pawns can land your King in trouble quite quickly, especially if you haven't castled yet. Moving pawns next to your King is also inadvisable, especially if your opponent has attacking prospects, as it can create a "hook" for an enemy pawn storm. However, it is hard to go by generalized rules like not moving pawns other than center pawns and pass pawns. In fact, sometimes you have to push flank pawns in order to create a pass pawn! One example in which you should use your flank pawns is the minority attack in the QGD (diagram below).

This sort of approach is important, as it weaken's Black's queenside pawn structure and create more space and attacking prospects for White on the queenside. I also get similar positions to this on the Black side of the Exchange Caro-Kann. Knowing ideas like this can be very helpful, as they apply across multiple different openings.

A few really good examples of how to play with your pawns effectively and efficiently can be found in my most recent YouTube video (Here’s the link: https://youtu.be/O1kOYk3FnPw)! I hope everyone can get something out of this video, in which I play 10+0 games and provide live commentary and analysis. If you feel inclined, I would really appreciate a subscription to my channel! Every subscription means a lot to me.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpRYz_ElTJC-FUq4unehOfg/

Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/giraffe_chess/


 

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Moving the center pawns before other pawns sounds like the way to go.

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Giraffe_Chess wrote:

Early on in the game, it is definitely recommendable to prioritize piece development over pushing pawns! Moving too many pawns can land your King in trouble quite quickly, especially if you haven't castled yet. Moving pawns next to your King is also inadvisable, especially if your opponent has attacking prospects, as it can create a "hook" for an enemy pawn storm. However, it is hard to go by generalized rules like not moving pawns other than center pawns and pass pawns. In fact, sometimes you have to push flank pawns in order to create a pass pawn! One example in which you should use your flank pawns is the minority attack in the QGD (diagram below).

This sort of approach is important, as it weaken's Black's queenside pawn structure and create more space and attacking prospects for White on the queenside. I also get similar positions to this on the Black side of the Exchange Caro-Kann. Knowing ideas like this can be very helpful, as they apply across multiple different openings.

A few really good examples of how to play with your pawns effectively and efficiently can be found in my most recent YouTube video (Here’s the link: https://youtu.be/O1kOYk3FnPw)! I hope everyone can get something out of this video, in which I play 10+0 games and provide live commentary and analysis. If you feel inclined, I would really appreciate a subscription to my channel! Every subscription means a lot to me.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpRYz_ElTJC-FUq4unehOfg/

Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/giraffe_chess/


 

 Thank you for the details!

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As I read the book The Tao of Chess I came across two more principles related to moving pawns - and both suggest to be extra careful when moving pawns.

 

Principle 171: Be particularly patient with your pawns

Pawns are peculiar in that they cannot move backward or sideways. Therefore you can never take back a pawn push, no matter how minor a mistake it may have been. The squares the pawn used to protect
before it moved will never again be protected by that pawn for the rest of the game.


Therefore any decision to move a pawn is a potentially important one. Thus being patient when contemplating such moves makes a lot of sense.

 

Principle 110: When in doubt, do anything but push a pawn

One of the sayings you sometimes hear among amateur players is “When in doubt, push a pawn.” This is one of the worst pieces of advice on playing chess that I have ever heard. Every time a pawn moves, it leaves weakened squares in its wake. Therefore, this is the one thing you do not want to do unless you have a very good reason for the push.

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manoj05 wrote:

As I read the book The Tao of Chess I came across two more principles related to moving pawns - and both suggest to be extra careful when moving pawns.

 

Principle 171: Be particularly patient with your pawns

Pawns are peculiar in that they cannot move backward or sideways. Therefore you can never take back a pawn push, no matter how minor a mistake it may have been. The squares the pawn used to protect
before it moved will never again be protected by that pawn for the rest of the game.


Therefore any decision to move a pawn is a potentially important one. Thus being patient when contemplating such moves makes a lot of sense.

 

Principle 110: When in doubt, do anything but push a pawn

One of the sayings you sometimes hear among amateur players is “When in doubt, push a pawn.” This is one of the worst pieces of advice on playing chess that I have ever heard. Every time a pawn moves, it leaves weakened squares in its wake. Therefore, this is the one thing you do not want to do unless you have a very good reason for the push.

In the Vienna game, whenever idk what to do I push f4 lol

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SNUDOO wrote:

In the Vienna game, whenever idk what to do I push f4 lol

 

I feel pawn rules do not apply to you - so you need not worry

You suggested not one but four openings in which pawns are moved a lot!