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Here we go again....
You have no idea why someone "abandoned" a game.
You have no idea why someone is playing "slow" Ifyou agreed to a 20 minute game, then you wait 20 minutes. Why should someone only have as much time to think as you think they should?
So if you want to ban players for unknown reasons, and or simply because youre feeling "inconvienced" then by all means please report then to staff, and or have them banned.
I obviously have not expressed well enough. I am certain of the enough of the tactics being deployed not want to play that person again., I am under no illusion that chess.com will take action but I just wanted to know if I could put on a personal black list.
Gods Pawn in considering you condescending response to my mail further (sigh), where clearly believe that you know everything and I know nothing, you perhaps could time God to tell me why it is that in seven years or so of playing on this website I have to encounter a game in which my opponent was clearly winning where they took over 20 mins to move?
so.... you propose that if you were playing a game where the opponent was in some deep trying hard to not lose a desperate game--
you send a pm or text, and if they don't respond. BAM.
they are out of the game, they are even Out of the website! they cannot ever come back to chess.com. they are awful horrible! and gone!!!
...wow.
that seems Really, really,really harsh to me.
here's is my opinion. you don't understand chess well enough. Chess is a game of Patience!! chess is a game with even even desperate loss can turn to a draw or a win - if you have wit enough to see it.
the "Price" of that, is that sometimes when Losing horribly- you've got to stop and really Deeply consider your plight. Perhaps you can find something tricky and unexpected.
this can take time, and if you are playing a game with a 30 minute clock (or more) you might find it.
if You Do NOT find though..... the game can't last forever, both sides clearly agree what time the game can take. and both players should make sure they have the time to play a game that takes time in the time control. IMHO.
I am sorry that you are rushing in to attack instead of considering what I am actually saying, I have nt wish to ban anybody from playing chess. I just don't want to replay people who engage in gamesmanship wasting time to mammoth extent, just because they are loosing.
This thread was set up really to see if there are ways I could use the available resources of chess.com to ban these people from playing ME, as if I refuse their challenge when the computer selects to me I could end with a warning.
If you feel someone made you wait on purpose, then you can block them. They should be unable to accept future seeks or be randomly paired with you outside of a tourney
There is a limit of the number of blocked users, so if you have it happen often, you may have to periodically clean out old accounts.
not an attack.
perhaps you didn't use the right word in the title, then.
You said "ban" ---did you mean that word? do you really want them to be kicked out of chess.com completely because they did not make a move when in a losing position?
asking to make sure you don't play them again is "block"
as Martin says
Yes, Martyn and the Great Platzer the ban had too wide a meaning - I wanted to ban these players from playing me again, but I can now see it has a wider meaning. The world block is a much better word to use. So is there a way of blocking players from being chosing by the computer to play when we didn't don't want because we did not like what ever last time we played, in my case if was extreme gamesmanship, the website used to disqualify people who delinberately took too long to move announce that they had abandoned the game after 5-7 mins now it doesn't seem to, but what if a player is racist or abusive, yes you can complain about them and yes they will be warned but can block them?
I see that Martyn Stahl says you can block players, but how do you do that?
You'll have to be on the website but
https://support.chess.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1444796-how-can-i-block-another-user-
oh.then I apologize.
I see you mean. Yes you have the right to "block" unpleasant people or people you feel are rude.
this is fine.
I would still recommend you try to understand Why people would want to spend a lot of time thinking when they are in a bad losing position.
you would be surprised what can happen, if a person looks and thinks very hard about what he can do.
I don't doubt though, that some people just leave their game, running, when they are losing. I don't find this upsetting but it is a little rude.
i was playing for my chess club , i faced a junior , in the game i had a knight queen and pawn hovering around their king
for 30 minutes my opponent sat and pondered the position ,
the time was well spent my attack was beaten back and the game ended up drawn ,
the junior/now a senior ie over 16 is developing fast and is a player that is respected as a tough opponent in the league
we have a mutual respect gained from our encounters although im now the one who is getting all the defensive questions
by the way,
If a person "closes" their game window, than that person has a small amount of time to get back to their game before the game is called "abandoned" and the other guy wins.
but if a person DOESN'T close their window, once they have made their first move (as far as I know) they can just sit their until they run out of time.
so correct me if I 'm wrong Martin.
a guy playing white can play "1. e4...." in a G30. nothing will happen for 30 thirty minutes until black wins on time.
I have never had anyone do this in the opening, but I have had people stop playing with 15 minutes (in a G30) because they won a peice.
that person was Rude (no doubt). but someone can do the same in an OTB tournament game too.... so
its good to be patient. and if you aren't- play blitz.
There was a max time per move at one point but I believe that has been removed.
one could say though,
that if a person won on time, their opponent was simply not being skillful enough.
in blitz particularly, time - like pawns and pieces are valuable and cannot be squandered.
So, I don't think I agree that winning of time is "inflate" ones rating.
also "aborting" a game doesn't change your anybodies rating (it means that a person doesn't play the game at all)- so It should be considered irrelevant to a persons rating.
I disagree with the last sentiment too.... most people allow chess.com to select you to a random opponent, so having a information about how often that person abandons or aborts game would not change how often they are selected.
since there's no consequence to "high abandoned games" or any similar stat, where is the discouragement?
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since there's no consequence to "high abandoned games" or any similar stat, where is the discouragement?
There are consequences. Players that abort too much eventually lose the abort option and have to resign instead. Serial abandoners get placed into a pool of players that do the same thing and are more likely to be paired together.
I'm not sure if those that wait a long time and move close to time running out are tracked.
https://support.chess.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1444922-fair-play-policy
well there ARE consequences for aborting a lot. yes! there are...
but there are NO consequence of abandoning lots of games.
and if you just wait for many minutes without moving a piece. Whats that called? it isn't abandoning OR aborting a game.
so there's No consequences for that!
should we define a behavior where you you just wait and wait in a losing position to run down your clock?
I can Tell you this. Whether chess.com has made a name for this behavior, people hate it. and post about it A lot...
so I'm not sure chess.com will ever do anything about it. but if they did, some people would be very happy.
I do so agree with the great_patzer which is why I started this thread in the first place,.
I have a proposal to make re people who abandon games without playing a move. This is a sin, they have abandoned the match and should loose the points- this would this stop abandoned matches overnight?
Another thought; chess.com doesn't seem to have a lot a sanctions - either a warning or an exclusion- one may far too mild the other far too severe. What about for sin like abuse the player instead of getting a pretty ineffectual warning gets to play black next game - and if the computer would have made him or her black anyway they play black the next time as well. The next time this person sins- the player could play what ever number of matches starting as black as thought to be appropriate to the sin. The miscreant would surely get the message that what inappropriate behaviour he/she had been guilty of was not going to be tolerated. Of course after a couple of sessions of starting black as a sanction,-the player should be banned from the site if he/she reoffends wouldn't you agree?.
I am increasingly coming across oponents who when they get into a loosing position, some o only marginly, are content to sit back and let the clock expire, sometimes just making one move just before the clock falls. Obviouisly they are hoping that you will get bored and leave the computer so that they end up with the points. Sometime ago this was dealt with very efficiently by the programmed that time them out after say five minutes. Now I have just waited 20 minutes and then there was even a warning for deliberately slow player.
Is there mechanism were I can ban these players from future games without having just to refuse to play and so end with warning myself!
Chancydog